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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Epignosis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 07 2012 at 20:42
Originally posted by dtguitarfan dtguitarfan wrote:

apparently some people thing my writing is good enough


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote dtguitarfan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 07 2012 at 20:40
Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:

Originally posted by dtguitarfan dtguitarfan wrote:

Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

Maybe it's time PA made me a collaborator. 


Good luck. I was told "Prog Reviewer" status came about "more or less automatically" after a certain number of reviews...doesn't seem to be the case....



With all respect, openly stating that you purposefully break the guidelines of the rating system and/or manipulate ratings is probably not the way to be promoted.   Why would we give extra weighting to someone who gets off on breaking the site ratings guidelines? 

Not that I have any say in who gets promoted.  Just an observation from a fellow member.

Jeez, you took that overly seriously.  I will have you know I give 5's out to albums I actually love.  I just happen to love music more often than most people, apparently.  I find it a little annoying, actually, when I come across these people who only give out 1 five star review in, say, a hundred, because they feel it's SUPPOSED to be rare.  EVERY album on this site has a few 5 star ratings.  So if I love something, I want it to do well, I want it to get attention, etc., I'm giving it a 5.  It's not manipulation - manipulation is when someone goes in and gives every album by one artist a 1 star rating.  Did you seriously listen to every album after finding out you loathed the artist?

Hey, if they don't want to give me Prog Reviewer status, it's their loss - apparently some people thing my writing is good enough as I'm now being published on a site where they DON'T just let anyone who wants post reviews on their site.  It would be nice if they did give me the status here, but I'm not gonna fight for it now.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Man With Hat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 07 2012 at 20:38
Originally posted by dtguitarfan dtguitarfan wrote:

Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

Maybe it's time PA made me a collaborator. 


Good luck. I was told "Prog Reviewer" status came about "more or less automatically" after a certain number of reviews...doesn't seem to be the case....
 
That is indeed not the case at all.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote darkshade Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 07 2012 at 20:28
Originally posted by dtguitarfan dtguitarfan wrote:

Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

Maybe it's time PA made me a collaborator. 


Good luck. I was told "Prog Reviewer" status came about "more or less automatically" after a certain number of reviews...doesn't seem to be the case....


Collaborator and Prog reviewer are two different things. I write reviews too randomly to be a PR. But I'm always willing to help make the site better by updating album/band pages, etc.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Finnforest Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 07 2012 at 20:16
Originally posted by dtguitarfan dtguitarfan wrote:

Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

Maybe it's time PA made me a collaborator. 


Good luck. I was told "Prog Reviewer" status came about "more or less automatically" after a certain number of reviews...doesn't seem to be the case....



With all respect, openly stating that you purposefully break the guidelines of the rating system and/or manipulate ratings is probably not the way to be promoted.   Why would we give extra weighting to someone who gets off on breaking the site ratings guidelines? 

Not that I have any say in who gets promoted.  Just an observation from a fellow member.
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Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

Maybe it's time PA made me a collaborator. 


Good luck. I was told "Prog Reviewer" status came about "more or less automatically" after a certain number of reviews...doesn't seem to be the case....
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote colorofmoney91 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 07 2012 at 16:44
Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

Maybe it's time PA made me a collaborator. 

Aye.
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Give it up, ds, we all know you are notorious prog hater Jeff Goldblum in disguise. Tongue
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Maybe it's time PA made me a collaborator. 
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Actually, I think it's the other way around, Failcore - as I understand it on PA every single band must be voted in. This slows things way down when most or all of the collaborators don't know anything about the band. On MMA we're kind of on the honor system - if you're absolutely 100% sure where a band goes you can add them no questions asked, and just report your activities. But if there's any doubt you're supposed to put it up for a vote. It's this way on MMA because there's a lot of work to do right now. Also, while it may look like we have a lot of collaborators, if you look at some of their profiles you'll see a lot haven't been active on a while, sadly. So, sometimes we are a lot faster than PA. Sometimes not so much.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Failcore Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 07 2012 at 13:02
I still think there should be a more formal process on this site, but whatevs. I've accepted it will never happen. I think MMA has their sh*t together more, jsut because they have way more volunteers, due to there beign way more metalheads than proggers. I think it's hilarious they have more genres than we do. And people say prog fans are way to analytical and snobby. At least we don't come up with stuff as bad as Nu Post Djentcore
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Over at MMA, there is a different outlook I think. We only get a few thousand hits a day, so we need more attention. So we want to get the artists and albums up as soon as possible because if you get a review up close to the release date, the band posts a link on facebook or twitter or what have you, and there's potential for raising the number of hits the page gets. So by all means, take your time getting artists up over here.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote ExittheLemming Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 07 2012 at 07:55
^ I think the recent furore over PA's credibility suffering due to the latest prog albums or artists not being added immediately upon release is a tad overstated. The benefits of rushing an artist/band into an inappropriate genre just to get them listed provides us with....what exactly? A trickle of very badly written, ill informed and disingenuous reviews that will only serve to diminish our credibility even further.

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Originally posted by dtguitarfan dtguitarfan wrote:

Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

Originally posted by dtguitarfan dtguitarfan wrote:

Seriously, this makes me mad because I would've loved to have received a promo copy of this and if I had, I would've taken more time and put a lot more thought into my review:
http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=763909


Agreed. The guy clearly listened to it once, with low expectations to begin with.

Actually, I was talking amongst the collaborators over on MMA and it's highly possible that this guy didn't listen to the album at all.  I mean, I've talked to people who actually professionally write reviews and Roadrunner is NOT giving out promotional copies.  And if you read the guy's review, he says NOTHING.  Not a single piece of information that couldn't be made up without having ever listened to the album.


I saw that Rush review too and it was really Rush-edWink

The problem I have is not that it is a bad review but that it was reviewed before the album appears even in the magazine! The Mags are being shipped out now and will turn up in letter boxes in a couple of days then I will begin to take note of them. Of course i will write my own but not on first listen or even 4th listen. Rush take a while to sink in and deserve better than a gut reaction like that poor excuse of a review offersAngry
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote ExittheLemming Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 05 2012 at 16:11
^ my opinion makes me think that (and there ain't many reviewers on this site with 'redolent of early prog' in their locker) Big smile
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Rivertree Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 05 2012 at 15:56
Originally posted by ExittheLemming ExittheLemming wrote:

^ cheeky beggar. I've removed the offending sentence entirely so it will no longer count as a written review and sent him a PM (shame really as he's clearly a good writer and knowledgeable about music)


what makes you think that?



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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote octopus-4 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 05 2012 at 15:49
everybody can have a momentary leapse of reason, isn't it?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote ExittheLemming Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 05 2012 at 15:45
^ cheeky beggar. I've removed the offending sentence entirely so it will no longer count as a written review and sent him a PM (shame really as he's clearly a good writer and knowledgeable about music)
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote octopus-4 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 05 2012 at 15:21
It's like writing "I like it" 33 times then "Goodbye". I have to say that after reading it I know of this album exactly the same as before (I've never heard that band). 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Rivertree Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 05 2012 at 15:17
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this writer tries to be extra funny, just look at the last sentence ...
I'm not sure if this fails the guidelines, a doubtful behaviour at least ... I do hate such an approach Angry



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