"Freedom" thread or something

But won't this stupid ruling strengthen Nobama? 

Well, I knew who I was voting for before this ruling and I'm just as certain now.... And I hope you are right. Even though we all know they are all the same. But American CCCP is not my dream. 

Sounds legit.

Scalia's the best writer I thinks, but here's a nice portion from Kennedy with his dissent.

Kennedy-ish wrote: The Constitution grants Congress the power to “regulate Commerce.” Art. I, §8, cl. 3 (emphasis added). The power to regulate commerce presupposes the existence of commercial activity to be regulated.  ...The individual mandate, however, does not regulate existing commercial activity. It instead compels individuals to become active in commerce by purchasing a product, on the ground that their failure to do so affects interstate commerce. Construing the Commerce Clause to permit Congress to regulate individuals precisely because they are doing nothing would open a new and potentially vast domain to congressional authority. Congress already possesses expansive power to regulate what people do.

I think the Commerce Clause is pretty much the most misunderstood part of the Constitution anyway. This is just a whole new crazy sort of thinking on it.

Oh well. People will see how disastrous this is, and how big and fat the health insurance providers become as they laugh to the bank. A single payer system would work better than this.


Edited by Equality 7-2521 - June 28 2012 at 11:13

Hey, now they added an extra tax. Pay up young people!

stonebeard wrote: Eh, I've said before that I'm ok with paying more taxes to get more affordable health care. It beats the hell out of what I would pay otherwise for office visits. Also kinda glad the parent's insurence thing stayed in. Otherwise it would have been no insurance for this guy for a few years (at least).

stonebeard wrote: Eh, I've said before that I'm ok with paying more taxes to get more affordable health care. It beats the hell out of what I would pay otherwise for office visits. Also kinda glad the parent's insurence thing stayed in. Otherwise it would have been no insurance for this guy for a few years (at least). Since a lot of Americans agree with most of the bill that isn't labeled "Individual mandate", I imagine the campaign will present Obama with the opportunity to actually do some PR on the whole thing, which the Dems totally neglected when crafting and passing it. Plus Mitt will have to run as the guy who wants to make prices go back up (or whatever harsh language the Dem side can muster).

You're not getting affordable health care.  You're getting affordable insurance (maybe).

Has anyone learned anything from the housing market?  The AHA is simply another bubble...

Drew, u srs? how will this be cheaper?
We've not gone single payer....

If that was the case then sure, sign me up...but we're maintaining this...IDK what it is. Some corporatist system I guess.
Go single payer, OR have no government involvement.
Long as we have this middle ground, it's f**ked. Maybe in the short run we're OK but long as government AND insurance companies are around eventually we'll get bent over again .

I hate hearing about the "parents insurance" thing. It's so selfish. I've heard a lot of that and it's silly.
OK, I can stay on my parents insurance and am not really paying for it.
I'll be 26 soon and (hopefully) working then.
Thus: paying taxes. I can't believe how many have said "eh it helps me now so I'm letting it slide" epitome of selfishness.

edit: Ah Rob and KoL beat me to it...don't tell me you really think the middle class won't face more taxes?


Edited by JJLehto - June 28 2012 at 13:58

Epignosis wrote: stonebeard wrote: It's not perfect, but I'll take it rather than have it be killed outright and have Republicans think that gives them the right to ignore the outrageous cost of health care here. (Moving your quote from the News thread to here) But why is health care so expensive?  Please read this article.  If health insurance is the primary reason why medical care is expensive, then how is requiring nearly everyone to have insurance going to reduce the aggregate cost?

Ah remember...the government will help shoulder part of the cost!
Wait...that's going to make things worse for some people isn't it?
hmmmmmmmm

JJLehto wrote: Epignosis wrote: stonebeard wrote: It's not perfect, but I'll take it rather than have it be killed outright and have Republicans think that gives them the right to ignore the outrageous cost of health care here. (Moving your quote from the News thread to here) But why is health care so expensive?  Please read this article.  If health insurance is the primary reason why medical care is expensive, then how is requiring nearly everyone to have insurance going to reduce the aggregate cost? Ah remember...the government will help shoulder part of the cost! Wait...that's going to make things worse for some people isn't it? hmmmmmmmm

Rewrite what you just said, only don't use the word "government."

Anywho, I've been getting my fill because I'm taking a break soon.
Hopefully the guvment doesn't do anything that makes me want to rage on the internet!