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smartpatrol ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 15 2012 Location: My Bedroom Status: Offline Points: 14169 |
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I have recently fallen in love with the art-punk band Pere Ubu. I was very dissapointed to find that they were not in this site, as I thought they'd fall perfectly into Prog Related. If you listen to thier first three albums, which I have put here in thier entirety, I think you will agree.
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Logan ![]() Forum & Site Admin Group ![]() ![]() Site Admin Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC Status: Offline Points: 38601 |
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Pere Ubu is terrific, and I've wondered if the band could find a way into Prog Archives. Although I think in terms of the sound the band would be fine for Prog Related, there are more criteria to getting into that category which makes getting acts into there challenging (and a special collab needs to support it, which could be me). That said, the band also has a Prog relation due to personnel, as well as, I think, the experimentation and approach to music. For instance, Chris Cutler of Henry Cow, Art Bears, and News from Babel was a drummer for Pere Ubu between 87 and 90. And Anton Fier (drummer 81 and 82) has worked on various projects in PA , and one of its members has been with Captain Beefheart and His Magic band. Mind you, I think there's only been one consistent member has been the singer Davis Thomas.
Here's some sites for reference: http://rateyourmusic.com/artist/pere_ubu http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pere_Ubu
http://www.ubuprojex.net/pereubu.html
So yeah, I personally think this would be a good and fitting addition. Note: I moved this to the Suggest new Bands forum. By the way, It was suggested for inclusion a long time ago -- for reference purposes: Topic: Pere Ubu and Chrome Edited by Logan - July 01 2012 at 21:30 |
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I have the Dub Housing LP. Grating but cool. Thomas' vocals are an acquired taste.
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I'm not the biggest fan, but if you want to sponsor them Greg go right ahead.
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Logan ![]() Forum & Site Admin Group ![]() ![]() Site Admin Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC Status: Offline Points: 38601 |
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I don't particularly want to even though I think there is a substantial case because there are others that I care more about that I think could be in PR, but I'd be willing to sponsor the case if smartpatrol would be willing to prepare the addition if it's accepted. That said, I'd rather wait a while to see if or how discussion develops in this thread before considering taking it to admin as I would hope that various members would build up the case in this thread (Pere Ubu is not exactly obscure so I would expect a level of interest from the general PA crowd).
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Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me.
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HolyMoly ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Retired Admin Joined: April 01 2009 Location: Atlanta Status: Offline Points: 26138 |
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Pere Ubu's main barrier to PA entry, I think, is their close tie to the punk scene, which tends to put them in a "bad" prog light. That said, I think their first 5 albums (the only ones I have) are about as daring as music got in the late 70s and early 80s, and albums like The Art of Walking and Song of the Bailing Man are basically RIO albums in all but name.
I think of them as similar in ways to the Red Krayola, and I know that band has recently been shot down for addition too. I don't see any good reason why both bands shouldn't be in here, but I haven't taken part in the genre teams so I don't know what's involved. I always say - whether they're in PA or not, you can still enjoy them to your hearts' content, and you can even find likeminded fans in a place like this to discuss them with.
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I've got The Art Of Walking and New Picnic Time, which happen to be the era of the band I like the least. I had heard of them but not actually heard anything until Raygun Suitcase came out. The Folly Of Youth was playing on a college radio station. Didn't like as much the next two albums (Pennsylvania and St. Arkansas) they released after that but like those better than those earlier two. Add Worlds In Collision, Cloudland, and Story Of My life to Raygun and you have what are for me the four essentials.
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Smurph ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 11 2012 Location: Columbus&NYC Status: Offline Points: 3167 |
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To bring this thought back... I truly think these guys warrant a prog-related inclusion. They are forward thinking, and include members of well known prog bands.
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ExittheLemming ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 19 2007 Location: Penal Colony Status: Offline Points: 11420 |
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Lift that post punk rock and watch the following scuttle in all
directions for attention: Banshees, Cure, New Order, Magazine,
Television, Josef K, Monochrome Set, Ultravox, Bauhaus, OMD, XTC, Fall, A
Certain Ratio, Clock DVA, Cabaret Voltaire, Cocteau Twins, Joy
Division, Psychedelic Furs, Teardrop Explodes, Creatures, Wall of
Voodoo, Devo, Durutti Column, Eyeless in Gaza, Fad Gadget, Flying
Lizards, You've Got Foetus on Your Breath, Gang of Four, Nina Hagen,
Icicle Works, Soft Boys, Killing Joke, Laughing Clowns, Lydia Lunch,
Nick Cave & the Bad Seeds, Pigbag, Prefab Sprout, PIL, Shriekback,
the Smiths, Soft Cell, Sonic Youth, Spear of Destiny, Suicide, Tears for
Fears, That Petrol Emotion, The The, Gary Numan/Tubeway Army, Virgin
Prunes, Waterboys, (the list goes on and some of the foregoing may even
be here already)
All are forward thinking, adventurous, challenging and innovative certainly, but for me (who adores most of the foregoing artists), none qualify for admission to any of the categories on this site. Maybe it's a sign of the dearth (and maybe impossibility) of genuinely new Prog that initiates such debates in the first place? |
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Smurph ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 11 2012 Location: Columbus&NYC Status: Offline Points: 3167 |
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But the difference here is that this band includes a member of Book of Knots, and shoot, even Chris Cutler plays in this band.
I don't think many of the other bands listed here have people like Chris Cutler involved. I certainly agree that we don't need to open the site to bands like Sonic Youth and some of the others you listed, i simply thought this band would have more pull because of the members involved. |
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VOTOMS ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 18 2013 Location: KOBAIA Status: Offline Points: 1420 |
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After the great Swans discussion, I think Pere Ubu fits a way better than Swans here, RIO or prog related.
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VOTOMS ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 18 2013 Location: KOBAIA Status: Offline Points: 1420 |
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I still think they deserve a place here.
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bucka001 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 16 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 864 |
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For their most recent album, Dave Thomas listened to Pawn Hearts every day for inspiration. Haven't heard the album, but if it's anything close to the spirit of Pawn Hearts, it won't be boring (that's for sure).
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