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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 05 2012 at 11:37
Digital synths from 80s are dated. Synths from the 70s had wonderful eyebrow raising sounds, but they only scratched the surface of what was possible... and then came the 80s. Oh well, maybe we'll go back to the moon one of these days.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 05 2012 at 12:10
Who gives a sh*t?   Did they make good? sound is all that counts.

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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 05 2012 at 17:42
I never thought so, but basically whenever I play my music to people who don't listen to prog and listen to more modern stuff, they always comment that they hate that 80's keyboard sound, even though I'm never playing 80s music and it's usually from the 70s.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 05 2012 at 17:56
of course they sound dated, isn't that what we love about them?







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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 08 2012 at 22:05
totally agree!  I love the analog sound of the 70's.  Digital synths sound good now, but that's because we have the awesomeness of 24 bit audio and lah lah lah.  Back then (in the 80's) I thought that the keyboards sounded terrible, but time has largely improved them.  Still though, I do love me some controlled voltage Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 09 2012 at 19:01
Well, when I hear the sound of an analog synth comes automatically to my mind all those 70s prog monsters like Wakeman, Emerson, ect.. So probably they sound "dated" to me, but they do sound great and that's enough.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 10 2012 at 00:36
Analog synths - eternal classic, whether modular mono polyphonic etc.
80s digi synths - clunky but fun and have a very distinctive vibe
samplers - wonderful revolutionary tool
 
00s software patches - now these well n truly suck and are dated the moment the were created
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 18 2012 at 00:21
One man's dated is another man's vintage.
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Originally posted by Tapfret Tapfret wrote:

One man's dated is another man's vintage.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 24 2012 at 00:19
Originally posted by Ytse_Jam Ytse_Jam wrote:

Well, when I hear the sound of an analog synth comes automatically to my mind all those 70s prog monsters like Wakeman, Emerson, ect.. So probably they sound "dated" to me, but they do sound great and that's enough.
 
That and the rich textures conjured by the electronic gods, i.e. Tangerine Dream, Synergy, Roger Powell, and the like. Analog forever!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 24 2012 at 00:33
For me, the Mellotron will forever be embedded in my psyche.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 24 2012 at 09:56

If you take a quick visit to www.moogmusic.com you will find that they are still developing and producing analog synths and that they hardly mention prog or even the 70s anywhere. Analog synths are still considered cool today because people like Deadmau5 use them, lots of "musicians" in the electronic/dance genre's love the "fat" analog sound, mostly for their bass lines of course.

Since I play keyboards in a kind of progressive rock band I'm of course quite subjective on the issue, but I still believe that if virtual analog synths could sound and feel as inspiring as analog synths do I would probably have bought one instead of my Moog Little Phatty. Now that I am looking at my possibilities to expand with a strings-synth, I am both delighted and frustrated that the only option I feel that I have is to get a vintage ARP Solina String Ensemble (same as on "Wish You Were Here" and "Animals" etc). Not because I want to sound like Richard Wright, just simply because I need the sound of analog oscillators going through a chorus unit producing a string-like sound. I don't need samples and I don't need digital technology, they don't inspire me at all. Does that make me a dated/retro musician at 19 years of age? Well, I guess that's up to everyone to decide for themselves in the end.
 
What I find most irritating is when people come up with the classic argument that "a great digital synth can, if you are skilled enough, recreate any analogue synth sound and much much more". Some people just won't understand that it's not about how it sounds live or on the record. It's about how it sounds when you are trying to write/improvise, what the instrument makes you want to play.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 24 2012 at 23:17
Originally posted by Josef_K Josef_K wrote:

If you take a quick visit to www.moogmusic.com you will find that they are still developing and producing analog synths and that they hardly mention prog or even the 70s anywhere. Analog synths are still considered cool today because people like Deadmau5 use them, lots of "musicians" in the electronic/dance genre's love the "fat" analog sound, mostly for their bass lines of course.

Since I play keyboards in a kind of progressive rock band I'm of course quite subjective on the issue, but I still believe that if virtual analog synths could sound and feel as inspiring as analog synths do I would probably have bought one instead of my Moog Little Phatty. Now that I am looking at my possibilities to expand with a strings-synth, I am both delighted and frustrated that the only option I feel that I have is to get a vintage ARP Solina String Ensemble (same as on "Wish You Were Here" and "Animals" etc). Not because I want to sound like Richard Wright, just simply because I need the sound of analog oscillators going through a chorus unit producing a string-like sound. I don't need samples and I don't need digital technology, they don't inspire me at all. Does that make me a dated/retro musician at 19 years of age? Well, I guess that's up to everyone to decide for themselves in the end.
 
What I find most irritating is when people come up with the classic argument that "a great digital synth can, if you are skilled enough, recreate any analogue synth sound and much much more". Some people just won't understand that it's not about how it sounds live or on the record. It's about how it sounds when you are trying to write/improvise, what the instrument makes you want to play.

Nice post!  The ARP String Ensemble didn't quite have the sound of the Mellotron, but it did have its own vibe, and I became quite fond of it during the middle & late 1970's.  

However, if you find one, I doubt it will last very long....they weren't very well-made beasts!

I have had excellent luck in taking all sorts of digital signals & then processing them through ANALOG processors, ex. analog delay, chorus etc.  These add a nice warmth to the otherwise "reedy" sound of the digital keyboard (I am thinking of the Yamaha DX7 specifically).  

If you want to get a nice string sound, buy some Mellotron samples online & load them into a nice synth workstation! That is what Mike Pinder (ex-Moody Blues) does these days.  All the cleanliness & convenience of digital, with a true Mellotron sound! 

After all, those original sample sounds were generated by living/breathing string/flute/vocalist musicians, many of whom are probably dead by now!!  Rather awesome to think of that, actually, especially with the Mellotron 8-voice choir!!  A veritable choir of ghosts.....

This is a great site to explore:  http://www.planetmellotron.com/toptens2.htm


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Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:


Nice post!  The ARP String Ensemble didn't quite have the sound of the Mellotron, but it did have its own vibe, and I became quite fond of it during the middle & late 1970's.  

However, if you find one, I doubt it will last very long....they weren't very well-made beasts!

I have had excellent luck in taking all sorts of digital signals & then processing them through ANALOG processors, ex. analog delay, chorus etc.  These add a nice warmth to the otherwise "reedy" sound of the digital keyboard (I am thinking of the Yamaha DX7 specifically).  

If you want to get a nice string sound, buy some Mellotron samples online & load them into a nice synth workstation! That is what Mike Pinder (ex-Moody Blues) does these days.  All the cleanliness & convenience of digital, with a true Mellotron sound! 

After all, those original sample sounds were generated by living/breathing string/flute/vocalist musicians, many of whom are probably dead by now!!  Rather awesome to think of that, actually, especially with the Mellotron 8-voice choir!!  A veritable choir of ghosts.....

This is a great site to explore:  http://www.planetmellotron.com/toptens2.htm



Well... of course the ARP will "last". It will demand maintenance but if it survived 30 years why would it die in my hands? ^^ 

I always use analog effects, though I only own three effect units at the moment, a MoodySounds analog delay, EHX Deluxe Electric Mistress Flanger and the Moog Moogerfooger 12-stage Phaser. Digital effects don't come close, no matter how much you pay for them... An ARP Solina fed through a good analog phaser is one of the most beautiful sounds I have heard in my life. 

Now, I really don't want to sound rude or anything but I did write in my last post that I do not want samples,
 "... because I need the sound of analog oscillators going thorugh a [analog of course] chorus unit..."
Of course the Mellotron is a great instrument in itself and far from your ordinary sampler. The digital Mellotron, M4000D, does however cost 25000 Swedish Kronor, which is not really within my budget (I am convinced I'll find an ARP in nice shape for 10000 or less). I haven't looked at the cost of loading mellotron samples into a workstation but since I have to buy a nice workstation that will probably sum up to the cost of the ARP anyway. Even if it doesn't the distance between the two will surely not be enough for me. 

I have tried the Mellotron (M4000D) in a local store and it is great, but I've decided that even if I could afford it I wouldn't go for it, again because I want analog oscillators simulating strings, not "a nice string sound". I want THAT sound. So yeah, in a way I've made it hard on myself but it's better to be strict like this before buying stuff I guess, to avoid being let down later on.

For 95% of keyboardists out there, you gave som good advice though ;) Since I already have a good laptop and Cubase 6, getting the software program "GeForce M-tron" and a decent midi controller could have been a good idea as well though, if I only wanted it :D It sounds great. 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 25 2012 at 07:35
Originally posted by zravkapt zravkapt wrote:

Analog synths are nowhere near as dated as the digital synths that were popular in the 1980s.
 
Compare the synths on the first two National Health albums with the ones used on their only '80s album D.S. al Coda.
Very true, not that there is anything wrong with '80s synths of course.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 29 2012 at 02:05
Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

Nice post!  The ARP String Ensemble didn't quite have the sound of the Mellotron, but it did have its own vibe, and I became quite fond of it during the middle & late 1970's.
Jurgen's ARP strings on T'rat's Spartacus are  nifty!  


Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

I have had excellent luck in taking all sorts of digital signals & then processing them through ANALOG processors, ex. analog delay, chorus etc.  These add a nice warmth to the otherwise "reedy" sound of the digital keyboard (I am thinking of the Yamaha DX7 specifically).
 
Can anything remedy the plinkety-plink of the DX7's "Doogie Howser" Rhodes, though? LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 01 2012 at 03:47
depends on how you use it... probably already spoken.. but you could use the trashiest digital approximation of a classic synth in a classic way... 

otoh people with 'pop' sensibilities(most people do not really appreciate sonic art) are going to interpret music/sound through narrow, commercial filters... 

and classic synths will sound dated to people(most) unless they are utilized in a popular, commercial idiom... etc.. it's all social...  music 'nerds' will be able to appreciate whatever... i think an ultimate (snobbish) test would be to play all the pop musics as sine waves... haha... im not claiming 'high ground' but i think it would be an interesting 'stress test'  Ying Yang
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 02 2012 at 00:29
Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

I have had excellent luck in taking all sorts of digital signals & then processing them through ANALOG processors, ex. analog delay, chorus etc.  These add a nice warmth to the otherwise "reedy" sound of the digital keyboard (I am thinking of the Yamaha DX7 specifically).
 
Can anything remedy the plinkety-plink of the DX7's "Doogie Howser" Rhodes, though? LOL
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Man!!  The Fender Rhodes electric piano was one of the BEST sounds of the 70's!  Patrick Moraz's intro to Sound Chaser, Chick Corea's work with RTF, and many other examples abound!

I've never yet heard a patch that could truly emulate the dynamics of the real deal, with its bell-like tone and clarity.  Even distorted, it had an amazing vibe!

So, the answer to Doogie Howser is, uh, no, get the real deal!   Here, for aficionados only!  

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 06 2012 at 10:50
Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

I have had excellent luck in taking all sorts of digital signals & then processing them through ANALOG processors, ex. analog delay, chorus etc.  These add a nice warmth to the otherwise "reedy" sound of the digital keyboard (I am thinking of the Yamaha DX7 specifically).
 
Can anything remedy the plinkety-plink of the DX7's "Doogie Howser" Rhodes, though? LOL

Man!!  The Fender Rhodes electric piano was one of the BEST sounds of the 70's!  Patrick Moraz's intro to Sound Chaser, Chick Corea's work with RTF, and many other examples abound!

I've never yet heard a patch that could truly emulate the dynamics of the real deal, with its bell-like tone and clarity.  Even distorted, it had an amazing vibe!

So, the answer to Doogie Howser is, uh, no, get the real deal!   Here, for aficionados only!  

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The Rhodes is a fantastic instrument that sounds like gold under the digits of one Jan Hammer! And many others, of course (like Corea and Moraz, as you say). To me, the Rhodes and the Hohner clavinet are as essential as the Mellotron, Minimoog and Hammond organ!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 12 2012 at 17:01
If I'm not mistaken Dave Stewart played keyboards for National Health, Hatfield & The North, Egg, and various side projects with people like Bill Bruford. That might be a good comparison. Listen to the synth on Hells Bells off of Brufords "One of a Kind". If you can tell whether it's a Minimonsta(Minimoog on steroids(computer to midi fatar), Memorymoog or any of the various others plus modular versions, then I wopuld consider you an expert between the 2 (Analog vs digital). I have a Roland Juno G, Roland Sh-01 GAIA, Alesis Micron, Korg Microkorg and the Minimonsta. Being an ex sound technician for Tapco/Mackie and having had a huge modular (analog synth)PAIA w/7 oscillators, 5 vcf's, etc. It all had to be externally patched from 1 module to the next. (best way to learn signal flow imho)
The major differences between synthesizer makers and their "sound" is in the types of filters. An average synth player can take an older analog alot of places, but the polyphony that creates the much more lush sounds on the digitals......I personally prefer. I love my GAIA.
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