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Originally posted by mister nobody mister nobody wrote:

Maybe it's a stupid question, but how exactly do you define cheesy? I never understood what exactly it means.

From what i read in this thread everyone dfines it differently  anyway.
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Maybe it's a stupid question, but how exactly do you define cheesy? I never understood what exactly it means.
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I've thought the only two that really deserved it were Almost Like Love and the title cut.
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BG isn't all cheesy - Shoot High, Aim Low is a crunchy biscuit.
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Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

^I find neither "cheesy"

(Tomato or Big Gen)

I do like cheese and Tomato though.


Never said I didn't like Tormato (gave it three stars here), but come on: "Arriving UFO?"  "Circus of Heaven?"  "Don't Kill the Whale?"  LOL

Add to this Wakeman's worst keyboard tones in the history of Yes, and you could put this album on a bed of nachos!
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I've thought long and hard about this, no really, cheesy prog is feta. Tongue

Might be a Capresi though, dammit on second thought I need to go back to the thinking table...


Edited by Slartibartfast - July 21 2012 at 10:06
Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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^I find neither "cheesy"

(Tomato or Big Gen)

I do like cheese and Tomato though.


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Closely followed by Big Generator and 'Jacaranda'.
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I would say Tormato is the cheesiest prog album ever.
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When I think of dairy products, Cream spring to mind. 
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Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

Other genres are probably more guilty of the "cheese" label than prog is. 

Here's Rick Nielsen of Cheap Trick, displaying a rather excessive and quite cheesy stage axe!  I think this one ended up stolen.  Oh well.  Made by Hamer, who make some damn nice guitars!  




It shouldn't have been too difficult to track down the culprit!
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Originally posted by Bitterblogger Bitterblogger wrote:

I consider cheese to be the musical equivalent of emoting.
 
Asia was mentioned earlier, which is who I immediately thought of. The common component is Geoff Downes, and nothing demonstrated fermented curd more than the John Payne-era days.

Great point!   When Prog collides with Arena Rock, well, get cheese knife!  

I'm STILL hacked at Downes with his blog, attacking Yes fans as "Yuppets"!  The nerve!!  He seems to have a hold on cheesy synth sounds from various reviews I've read about the latest Yes incarnations. 

Rick Wakeman he ain't!  
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I consider cheese to be the musical equivalent of emoting.
 
Asia was mentioned earlier, which is who I immediately thought of. The common component is Geoff Downes, and nothing demonstrated fermented curd more than the John Payne-era days.
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Hmmm....some cheesy Yes keyboards, anyone? 

"Forty-plus years down the road, Yes' members still boast chops that can inspire jealousy in many a musician. Even weak points in Wednesday's show, particularly an instrumental passage in the latter half of the "Fly from Here" suite featuring cheesy keyboard tones and augmented by flashing rainbow lights, were imbued with technically precise musicianship." 


http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/entertainment-general/index.ssf/2012/07/yes_assaults_sands_event_cente.html
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Originally posted by Tapfret Tapfret wrote:

Not sure what an instrument's appearance has to do with cheesiness. If someone can actually play a piece of cheese and make decent music out of it, that's another thing.

It doesn't, really, except if the musician goes overboard with the instrument and it becomes a gimmick rather than a vehicle for musical expression.  

John McLaughin and Mike Rutherford were early pioneers of the double-neck instrument, and they showed that, despite its unusual looks, the instruments could evoke powerful music and emotion!  

On the other hand, the multi-neck CAN be used to evoke cheesy humor!  Here's one of my favorites, Derreck Smalls, showing off his rather ridiculous (but gorgeous) double-neck BC Rich bass with the Kings of Cheese, Spinal Tap!   I played "Big Bottom" onstage with one of my bands, it was fantastic to have multiple bassists going at it!  






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I wonder, no one posted this, yet Tongue :
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Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

Thanks for the Pat Matheny videos!  He shows that, despite its odd looks, the instrument is very playable and capable of producing some beautiful music!   

On the other hand, THIS thing would peg the cheese-meter!  Not sure if this is real or a joke, but I could see some heavy metal act dragging this out for laughs....cheeee-sy!   Oh, wait a minute, it's ART!!  http://my.opera.com/stratstrangler/blog/index.dml/tag/12-neck%20Strat


This is a design by Yoshiniko Satoh, but not tthe only prototype:




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All are playable but knowing nobody sane would want  them, he created a musseum.

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Originally posted by Gerinski Gerinski wrote:

There are other ways of fitting more strings than adding necks to an increasingly bulky instrument.
Pat Metheny's 42-string Pikasso guitar is actually quite compact.
 
In the link a few words by its luthier Linda Manzer.
 
 
 
 
 
 

The main problem with this instrument isn't that it has 42-strings but rather that it's actually rather limited in sound. You can't chord with it and the main guitar neck might as well be a bass because all Metheny was doing with it was playing bass lines. All in all, a pretty useless instrument. Metheny's Into the Dream debuted this instrument, but it seems that this is the only kind of music he can make with it which gives every "new" piece he writes for it the same kind of feeling and sound.


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Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

  
Well, only somebody wanting to play music like this.
Note that he frequently uses the "normal" 6-string guitar neck (tapping it only with his left hand) for playing the background keyboard-like sound, it acts as a controller for his Synclavier (perhaps nowadays it's a more modern sampler).
 
Metheny is not a showman and he is not into show-off b*st, he is a true musician, he has his experimental side and he can toy with things like this guitar, his Orchestrion or his Synclavier Roland guitar controller, but it's always with the purpose of stretching his musical boundaries.
 
 
 
 

To be honest, I like that one, it looks very simple, apparently seems that he controls all the strings with only one necck, great music, even when it's not my cup of tea.

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I can only commiserate the poor roadie who has to re-string and tune the damn thing every few shows LOL
 
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Not sure what an instrument's appearance has to do with cheesiness. If someone can actually play a piece of cheese and make decent music out of it, that's another thing.

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