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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 07 2012 at 02:04
Yes, I used to do that. Mostly without success, which is probably a common experience.

These days I meet some prog friends sometimes and we want to let each other listen to our latest discoveries, but that's a different thing: my friends already liked prog, and are open to some new prog stuff.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 06 2012 at 23:44
Originally posted by Meta Meta wrote:

When I was in high school learning as much as I could about prog and hitting up used CD stores for albums, I would try and talk to my friends about prog and playing it for them, explaining what I found so fascinating about the music. To my dismay I quickly realized that most of the didn't appreciate it, and found the music to be dense and noisy. Unhappy After a year or two I learned to keep my prog fetish to myself unless someone said or did something that led me to believe that they would be interested, but I was pretty annoying there for a while as a teenager.  
 
Did you go through a similar phase? Was it more or less successful than mine?

I'm still in that phase! I'm prog mad and nobody even knows what 70's music is these days!

So less successful, but I understand that showing someone a whole new genre of music can be displeasing (to say the least) to the ears. It's hard to listen to a new genre! (but once you get into classic prog, you can love ALL the prog genres from there!)

Most people are used to the modern, easy sounds of today. People acquire their own specific genre of music which, in some way, defines them. I'm fine with that, I'm just glad I discovered this truly interesting world of complex music. So, no matter what, I have respect for their taste in music because that's the music they're used to!

As the Gentle Giant album states; "Acquiring The Taste". Most people have to discover this world of prog for themselves instead of someone introducing them to it.

And thankful to this site, I found all my favorite Progressive music that I ever wanted. I didn't even have to surf through thousands of albums in the 70's to find the gems, I just have to glance at this site and obtain such classics that I'll always cherish. Couldn't be happier.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 06 2012 at 22:48
I find that you usually wind up either "preaching to the choir" or "talking to deaf ears." But if you are very clever and careful you can find people willing to listen. For example, if you find out that someone is already a big fan of Yes, early Genesis or Pink Floyd you might be able to introduce them to lesser known prog. A lot of people claim to be prog fans or fans of something different but don't know what it is or they have lots of old albums by Yes, Jethro Tull, King Crimson, Camel, Gentle Giant, Pink Floyd, Focus, Strawbs, ELP, etc etc. Obviously they are more than just a casual fan and yet they never got the memo that prog has resurfaced in the past twenty years or so especially on the internet. It is possible to convert people like this. As for younger people it could be trickier. They might not even know Yes so you have to go the Radiohead or Dream Theater route and somehow get them to like this non mainstream(for the most part) kind of music.

Anyway to get back to the original question, I used to consider myself a bit of a prog missionary. I don't think I ever went super crazy with it but whenever I was in a record store and saw someone looking at the Genesis, Yes or any other similar band that indictated to me they might like prog, I would tell them about prog and mention certain websites(including this one). I would usually write down a bunch of bands or sites for them. I did this when I sold on ebay and also at concerts. IT's amazing how many "fringe" or "almost" prog fans there are out there. I was also on the Progday promotions team for a couple of years. Eventually I got tired of "trying to spread the word." I found it kind of futile after a while. I eventually came to realize that the people who need to find prog will. In other words if they are really going to appreciate this kind of music, chances are they are already a fan. There could be, and probably are, plenty of people out there who would like this music but haven't been exposed to it but that's the way it goes. You can't get convert everyone.

Out of the thirty or so people I tried to convert I would guess that maybe five of them(at the most) took the bait.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 06 2012 at 22:43
I don't try to convert, but if I happen to play something that others like, so be it.  I don't often play my music at social gatherings, though, because I know it's not the most...socially acceptable, shall we say.  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 06 2012 at 22:31
When I first got into prog I did go through this phase. Eventually I learned that everyone's music tastes are based on what they want to get out of listening to music, and that many people do not think the way I do. I've learned to stop declaring my music as better than their music, and instead get to know their tastes to see if I have anything to offer. I have a friend that is especially into electronic music, and I recommend him albums that are more rhythmically driven, not AOR-like, and tend towards a jazzy or experimental sound.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 06 2012 at 19:14
I find the notion of forcing your religion on someone, which is what evangelism boils down to, as offensive as forcing your music on someone.  Share it and if nothing takes root, move on.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 06 2012 at 19:13
Let's just say: my mother was never fond of prog. Played Mahavishnu, Banco, PFM, and, if I remember correctly, Genesis' Selling England. Nothing. She is still on level 1: PF.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 06 2012 at 18:40
Everyone i knew was into Tull Genesis Yes Floyd, even Gentle G.
So could say my Preaching has mostly been about moving from there into King Crims / Fripp
Was I successful ? Partly !
Today I don't preach a lot, but I still try opening friends into new prog landscapes, But now I actually don't care much, if they like it or not.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 06 2012 at 17:10
I'm in that phase and can't help it. Luckily I've got my band to get most of the nerdy prog-related stuff said, but I just can't help complaining about how uninteresting other people's favorite music is, and then I start to explain why even though it's obvious that no one cares etc etc... It's quite an issue haha, but well worth it so I shouldn't whine about it :D
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 06 2012 at 16:32
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 06 2012 at 14:48
I went through an Elvis phase but then I discovered Focus and that was the end of that.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 06 2012 at 13:38
When I discovered Jethro Tull, I would watch live videos every night for hous and hours. And hours. I showed them to all my friends and found I was the only one to be completely enraptured by Ian x3 but it was fine. From that point, it's true that I haven't tried to push anybody into prog ... Mostly because the people I know have quite specific musical tastes and prog do not fit them, except from one of my best buddies who plays bass with me in my band and is a total Dream Theater fan. But from time to time, like with the latest Anathema record, I share it and some people love it :)


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 06 2012 at 13:15
My closest friends and myself grew up together liking prog all of us, oddly because we were all a bit too young for that (born around '65-'66). The kids of our generation became punks and new-waves, the prog train had already passed, but for some reason we were against the tide. In my paticular case the reason was that i was already soaked in prog from a very early age through my older brothers and cousins but this was not the case for some of my friends and yet they were also in love with prog at a time prog was already dead.
 
After that the only person I tried to convert was my long-time girfriend but I quickly realised that it was a hopeless endeavour so I gave up quickly and i have been listening to prog on headphones or when alone since Unhappy
We just split though, so as from now I will be able to listen to prog again at ease at home.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 06 2012 at 13:13
In 73/74 teenagers around me were listening to prog because it had hit the mainstream media popularity with bands like ELP, Yes, Genesis, and Jethro Tull. Pictures of Ian Anderson, Keith Emerson, Peter Gabriel, and Rick Wakeman were often featured on the front cover of magazines like "Hit Parader", "Circus", and "Creem". Teenagers on the east coast would throw parties and the main course of the evening's music would be "Thick as a Brick" or "Tarkus" and so on. Also the early Pink Floyd and it was common knowledge then. I was considered a freak because I preached the gospel of Gong, Camel. Centipede, Guru, Guru, Amon Dull and so many others that annoyed the hell out of everyone. Teenagers around me were fans of Black Sabbath, UFO, Blue Oyster Cult, Jimi Hendrix, Jefferson Airplane and to top it off a group that was considered lacking in talent by a majority of my sister's hippie friends...Grand Funk Railroad.  Early 70's fans of Grand Funk really enjoyed Keith Emerson and Ian Anderson because they had the image of "Rock Stars" ...but anything beyond that such as the European underground prog scene had mostly a cult following.
 
I went overboard with my efforts introducing people to the sounds of Gong and Camel which they cringed at relentlessly. The only artist I recall from the underground prog scene that made an impact was Mike Oldfield with his Tubular Bells release. I remember kids who listened to Karen Carpenter having that album and I couldn't quite understand then...how it could be possible? I had a lot of bizzare sadistic in nature type males for friends who would call me on the phone asking to borrow a CAN album. They would do this only to scare off their girlfriends. They would put on a strobe light and a CAN album to scare a girl away instead of telling her they wanted to break up. Totally insane if you ask me? Or they would borrow a Tangerine Dream album , set the speakers up in the windows, and scare off the trick or treaters who wanted candy. Beyond using prog for pranks...they had no real interest in it. Sometimes they found me annoying because I listened to it.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 06 2012 at 12:44
I got into prog when punk was kicking off in  a big way, so it was better to keep youtr trap shut for risk of getting a good kicking!Ouch

As I have gotten older, I have been pleasantly surprised at just how many acquaintances appreciate progressive rock, without ever deeming themselves to be "fans".
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 06 2012 at 12:30
Not really. I love music and if you get me started I will speak enthusiastically about bands I like, so that means  have at one point or another sang the virtues of prog to most of my friends, but I don't actively try to convert people.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 06 2012 at 12:22
Yes, my interest in music started to flourish at the first year in high school very much as a consequence of discovering internet. I searched for "Saga" and eventually learned about progressive music. Started listening to Marillion, discovered the Gibraltar encyclopedia of progressive rock, discovered many great prog bands.
 
Around the same time radio was changing and new commercial stations was becoming very popular. So that was the antithesis to my interest and approach to music. I couldn't understand how all people voluntarily would listen to a very limited amount of songs playing over and over, plus commercials and loud crazy jingles. I could criticize bad artists, but I was more puzzled to the fact that people wanted to listen to it, and only hit songs that are repeated. Another puzzling thing was that on radio shows were people can call in and wish for any song they like, they most often picked a song that already was playing everyday on radio. Or alternatively a well known "classic" hit song. I thought, why do they only play hits on the radio, why is it so commercialized, and why does people want it to be that way?
 
So I really didn't push prog on people, I didn't even introduced it to anyone if they didn't show interest. Commercialism exploded at the end of the 90's, people didn't mind , it was rather admired. I was going in the opposite direction that the times where moving in.
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 06 2012 at 12:18
I'm no progelytiser.  I mean I've played some of my faves that are (sometimes or commonly) considered "prog" to some friends (such as Magma and Art Zoyd without any success and Comus, Cardiac, The Residents, King Crimson and Robert Wyatt with some success), but never really tried to convert people to Prog.  One thing I have avoided doing when playing music is to describe music as Prog.  My generation knows the term, and it often has negative connotations to people.  Also, I don't find the term really describes my varied tastes under the progressive rock umbrella well.  I have just played music and if they like it, they like it. 
Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 06 2012 at 11:56
I'm definitely still in this phase. I showed all my friends, and so far, all but two have liked it. My friends are weird though. My family is utterly resistant to it, or rather, can't understand at all what I see in prog. I think they still believe it is just 10 minute drum solos etc.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 06 2012 at 11:52
Not Prog itself, but I was an evangelist for Ritchie Blackmore for a few years in high school shortly after I discovered hard rock (and music in general).  I learned long ago that it is impossible to push your tastes on anybody no matter your enthusiasm or reasons.  Either others like it or they don't; either it interests them or it doesn't.  Stonebeard is absolutely correct: nobody likes an evangelist.  If people come to agree with one, then they had found virtue in the subject in their own way and not because somebody else told them they should.
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