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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 06 2012 at 19:13
Let's just say: my mother was never fond of prog. Played Mahavishnu, Banco, PFM, and, if I remember correctly, Genesis' Selling England. Nothing. She is still on level 1: PF.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 06 2012 at 19:14
I find the notion of forcing your religion on someone, which is what evangelism boils down to, as offensive as forcing your music on someone.  Share it and if nothing takes root, move on.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 06 2012 at 22:31
When I first got into prog I did go through this phase. Eventually I learned that everyone's music tastes are based on what they want to get out of listening to music, and that many people do not think the way I do. I've learned to stop declaring my music as better than their music, and instead get to know their tastes to see if I have anything to offer. I have a friend that is especially into electronic music, and I recommend him albums that are more rhythmically driven, not AOR-like, and tend towards a jazzy or experimental sound.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 06 2012 at 22:43
I don't try to convert, but if I happen to play something that others like, so be it.  I don't often play my music at social gatherings, though, because I know it's not the most...socially acceptable, shall we say.  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 06 2012 at 22:48
I find that you usually wind up either "preaching to the choir" or "talking to deaf ears." But if you are very clever and careful you can find people willing to listen. For example, if you find out that someone is already a big fan of Yes, early Genesis or Pink Floyd you might be able to introduce them to lesser known prog. A lot of people claim to be prog fans or fans of something different but don't know what it is or they have lots of old albums by Yes, Jethro Tull, King Crimson, Camel, Gentle Giant, Pink Floyd, Focus, Strawbs, ELP, etc etc. Obviously they are more than just a casual fan and yet they never got the memo that prog has resurfaced in the past twenty years or so especially on the internet. It is possible to convert people like this. As for younger people it could be trickier. They might not even know Yes so you have to go the Radiohead or Dream Theater route and somehow get them to like this non mainstream(for the most part) kind of music.

Anyway to get back to the original question, I used to consider myself a bit of a prog missionary. I don't think I ever went super crazy with it but whenever I was in a record store and saw someone looking at the Genesis, Yes or any other similar band that indictated to me they might like prog, I would tell them about prog and mention certain websites(including this one). I would usually write down a bunch of bands or sites for them. I did this when I sold on ebay and also at concerts. IT's amazing how many "fringe" or "almost" prog fans there are out there. I was also on the Progday promotions team for a couple of years. Eventually I got tired of "trying to spread the word." I found it kind of futile after a while. I eventually came to realize that the people who need to find prog will. In other words if they are really going to appreciate this kind of music, chances are they are already a fan. There could be, and probably are, plenty of people out there who would like this music but haven't been exposed to it but that's the way it goes. You can't get convert everyone.

Out of the thirty or so people I tried to convert I would guess that maybe five of them(at the most) took the bait.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 06 2012 at 23:44
Originally posted by Meta Meta wrote:

When I was in high school learning as much as I could about prog and hitting up used CD stores for albums, I would try and talk to my friends about prog and playing it for them, explaining what I found so fascinating about the music. To my dismay I quickly realized that most of the didn't appreciate it, and found the music to be dense and noisy. Unhappy After a year or two I learned to keep my prog fetish to myself unless someone said or did something that led me to believe that they would be interested, but I was pretty annoying there for a while as a teenager.  
 
Did you go through a similar phase? Was it more or less successful than mine?

I'm still in that phase! I'm prog mad and nobody even knows what 70's music is these days!

So less successful, but I understand that showing someone a whole new genre of music can be displeasing (to say the least) to the ears. It's hard to listen to a new genre! (but once you get into classic prog, you can love ALL the prog genres from there!)

Most people are used to the modern, easy sounds of today. People acquire their own specific genre of music which, in some way, defines them. I'm fine with that, I'm just glad I discovered this truly interesting world of complex music. So, no matter what, I have respect for their taste in music because that's the music they're used to!

As the Gentle Giant album states; "Acquiring The Taste". Most people have to discover this world of prog for themselves instead of someone introducing them to it.

And thankful to this site, I found all my favorite Progressive music that I ever wanted. I didn't even have to surf through thousands of albums in the 70's to find the gems, I just have to glance at this site and obtain such classics that I'll always cherish. Couldn't be happier.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 07 2012 at 02:04
Yes, I used to do that. Mostly without success, which is probably a common experience.

These days I meet some prog friends sometimes and we want to let each other listen to our latest discoveries, but that's a different thing: my friends already liked prog, and are open to some new prog stuff.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 07 2012 at 03:44
I used to cook food for homeless people, but I would only give it to them if they'd also listen to King Crimson.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 07 2012 at 04:27
I'm probably being overtly cynical but I'll wager that those of you that have posted to the effect that yes, you tried to turn people onto Prog are being at best, disingenuous: if Prog became popular most of you wouldn't touch it with a bargepole
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 07 2012 at 04:42
Originally posted by ExittheLemming ExittheLemming wrote:

I'm probably being overtly cynical but I'll wager that those of you that have posted to the effect that yes, you tried to turn people onto Prog are being at best, disingenuous: if Prog became popular most of you wouldn't touch it with a bargepole

That is a tiny bit cynical LOL

I don't bother converting people. I've had this discussion before. I'll play them something I think they might enjoy simply because I want people to get the same enjoyment that I get from it. I'm generally very good a guessing whether they will like it or not though, and I rarely do it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 07 2012 at 06:34
Originally posted by ExittheLemming ExittheLemming wrote:

I'm probably being overtly cynical but I'll wager that those of you that have posted to the effect that yes, you tried to turn people onto Prog are being at best, disingenuous: if Prog became popular most of you wouldn't touch it with a bargepole


So what of the people who discovered prog during the 70's when the genre was booming, getting airplay and selling out venues ? Can't they appreciate prog now ? Or is most of the prog fanbase of nowadays tools who would have snubbed Yes and VDGG when when they released Close to the edge and Pawn Hearts cause it was too mainstream ? That's a sad vision =(
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 07 2012 at 07:32
I'm not convinced I've ever switched anyone on to prog rock. I did try sometimes a a teenager. I couldn't understand why someone wouldn't like Rush or Genesis or Pink Floyd.

ThenI grew up and realised that music means different things to different people. Even those, for whom music means a lot, it may not be musical complexity and lyrical ambiguity that floats their boat. ometims you have to live and let live when it coms to musical taste. oem people love Mexican food. Some people hate it. There's not much you can do about it, and ultimately I guess it doesn't matter.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 07 2012 at 07:56
I can't say that I ever have - if I think someone maybe receptive to Progressive Rock I might make a suggestion or two but no more than that - it's like those Amazon recomendations you get when purchasing a CD - "People who liked Sigur Ros also purchased Saint Etienne"  (actual example) ... my reaction is invariably "good for them" (though I may wonder if Sarah Cracknell and I are related in someway, I'll not buy (another of) their albums) and I suspect it's the same for anyone who I recommend an album or artist to - just because they've shown an interest in one band or track it does not follow that they'll like a similar or related band or track. Of course some of those recommendations are picked up and perhaps in doing that the person is won-over to the Church of Prog. A guitarist friend of mine did once ask who my favourite guitarists were and I reeled off a list of prog axe-men I admired - he tried them all and was impressed by some and not others and he did admit to appreciating Gilmour (for example) more than he had before - he had heard Floyd before and had been very dismissive (Comfortably Dumb, etc) - he is now a convert to Prog but I'll not claim that was all my doing.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 07 2012 at 08:06
Originally posted by ExittheLemming ExittheLemming wrote:

I'm probably being overtly cynical but I'll wager that those of you that have posted to the effect that yes, you tried to turn people onto Prog are being at best, disingenuous: if Prog became popular most of you wouldn't touch it with a bargepole
 
Not true.
 
I the top 50 chart albums were all prog I'd be happier than a dog with 2 tails. I've never liked prog because it's not mainstream because when I was in my teens/early 20s, it was.
 
I've always loved it because it's great music (well, some is).
 
And I used to use prog in my university lectures and still do in my more recent school classes and it's amazing how many students like it when they hear it. Last year, doing a physics masterclass practical with Opeth, Gentle Giant Steve Hackett and Camel playing resulted in several students going out and buying/downloading tracks and albums by them. Not one person complained.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 07 2012 at 09:37
Over and over again I hear this "live and let live" philosphy, that all music is equal and blah blah blah. 

Frankly, I disagree. All music is NOT equal. Does this mean the music I listen to is better? No, personal preference is a big part of it, but the "music" that focuses so obviously on being as shallow as possible is not a musical style in my opinion, it is mere business. 

I have always found a very distinct difference between music I don't like and can't understand that anyone would like and music that I don't like but respect for being creative. In essence, some music is art, some is business. No artist (well ok, hardly any) that has got a record deal is 100% art, but I still claim that I can identify music that focus on what is the easiest product to sell to most people. 

Just my opinion, and it really seems like very few agree with me here but I had to get that said :D
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 07 2012 at 09:59
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 07 2012 at 10:06
I did try to get some friends with similar music tastes to listen to some prog rock bands, and I stopped there.  I didn't and don't attempt to expound on the merits of prog.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 07 2012 at 10:32
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 07 2012 at 11:06
I'm in that phase since when I have listened to Trilogy for the first time, I think it was in 1972
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