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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 07 2012 at 23:59
Originally posted by TODDLER TODDLER wrote:

 
Always great to read your posts. I feel like we are too ancient and the world cannot relate to our experiences. It's interesting to hear about prog in Chicago. Space Rock Capital of the World...that would have been perfect for me. It's very sad to me personally how there were once actual isolated Prog scenes in the 70's and now they are gone. Actually ..there are still local prog scenes but not with the impact we experienced. Strawbs or King Crimson opening for a band like Humble Pie and tickets advertised on the radio ...I still can't believe it. In 2001 or 2002...I saw Nektar at the War Memorial in Trenton, N,J,  Bruce Springsteen was playing across the street that night. I stood outside the theatre remembering when bands like PFM used to open for mainstream Rock acts in the 70's. Wishbone Ash and Camel touring together across the Southern U.S.  Man and Hawkwind touring the U.S. together in 74' and Triumvirat on Don Kirshner's In Concert.  It's been too long since I experienced this and it feels like it all has been replaced with something else.....like phone booths were replace with cell phones. You can drive through South Jersey and not see a phone booth anywhere and that is the feeling I get from it.....as if it is dead. It's good because it's dead...
Thanks, man!  I feel the same, you'd fit right in with my circle of friends (same guys for 50+ years)!!  

My buddy Curt saw King Crimson & their "Islands" tour open for Humble Pie!  I saw the Eagles open for Yes on CTTE!!  
The concert experiences are just too many to recount....Led Zepplin on July 4, 1974 (Chicago Stadium was like a battleground from all the fireworks!), Wild Turkey opening for Jethro Tull's TAAB tour, freakin' PETER FRAMPTON opening for King Crimson & the LTIA show at the late/great Kinetic Playground!!  On & on!   Tickets were usually about $5.00 each (instead of $100.00++!!)

Amazing thing is, us old hippies (or wanna-be's like I am) still hang out & do the same basic stuff!  Now we have amazing local tribute bands like the remarkable "Tributasaurus," who have done entire shows mimicking Genesis, Yes, ABBA, etc.!!  Check 'em out:  http://tributosaurus.bandzoogle.com/setlists.cfm?postid=1536718&feature=2940617

Everybody prog blows through Chicago sooner or later, but the days of the huge concert venue are over....the big shows these days involve all sorts of dance routines.  Lady GaGa, Madonna etc.  

Keep in touch, Toddler!  Here's a photo from the past by my buddy Curt (best concert photographer I ever saw), Yes "Relayer" tour, 1975!!   This would be "Ritual" (notice the Les Paul Junior guitar).  



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 07 2012 at 23:11
Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

Originally posted by TODDLER TODDLER wrote:

In 73/74 teenagers around me were listening to prog because it had hit the mainstream media popularity with bands like ELP, Yes, Genesis, and Jethro Tull. Pictures of Ian Anderson, Keith Emerson, Peter Gabriel, and Rick Wakeman were often featured on the front cover of magazines like "Hit Parader", "Circus", and "Creem". Teenagers on the east coast would throw parties and the main course of the evening's music would be "Thick as a Brick" or "Tarkus" and so on. Also the early Pink Floyd and it was common knowledge then. I was considered a freak because I preached the gospel of Gong, Camel. Centipede, Guru, Guru, Amon Dull and so many others that annoyed the hell out of everyone. Teenagers around me were fans of Black Sabbath, UFO, Blue Oyster Cult, Jimi Hendrix, Jefferson Airplane and to top it off a group that was considered lacking in talent by a majority of my sister's hippie friends...Grand Funk Railroad.  Early 70's fans of Grand Funk really enjoyed Keith Emerson and Ian Anderson because they had the image of "Rock Stars" ...but anything beyond that such as the European underground prog scene had mostly a cult following.
 
I went overboard with my efforts introducing people to the sounds of Gong and Camel which they cringed at relentlessly. The only artist I recall from the underground prog scene that made an impact was Mike Oldfield with his Tubular Bells release. I remember kids who listened to Karen Carpenter having that album and I couldn't quite understand then...how it could be possible? I had a lot of bizzare sadistic in nature type males for friends who would call me on the phone asking to borrow a CAN album. They would do this only to scare off their girlfriends. They would put on a strobe light and a CAN album to scare a girl away instead of telling her they wanted to break up. Totally insane if you ask me? Or they would borrow a Tangerine Dream album , set the speakers up in the windows, and scare off the trick or treaters who wanted candy. Beyond using prog for pranks...they had no real interest in it. Sometimes they found me annoying because I listened to it.

You and I had virtually identical experiences, friend!  

Let's see....started high school in 1969, graduated in 1973....ELP, Focus, Yes, Tull were all HUGE, both on the radio (even commercial AM stations!) as well live & on the turntable!  

We had a great little station in Chicago called TRIAD, please see http://pages.ripco.net/~saxmania/triad.html

They played fusion, Kraut-rock, stuff like Magma etc. late at night!  Also, "space rock" (electronic stuff like T. Dream, local acts like Stratosled) were heavily featured!  At one point, Chicago in the mid-70's was declared the "Space Rock Capital of the World".  

I didn't have to work hard to convert others to my tastes, although some good friends couldn't handle the British goofiness of early Genesis for some reason!   I quickly found out if someone shared my musical tastes & we went from there.  
 
Always great to read your posts. I feel like we are too ancient and the world cannot relate to our experiences. It's interesting to hear about prog in Chicago. Space Rock Capital of the World...that would have been perfect for me. It's very sad to me personally how there were once actual isolated Prog scenes in the 70's and now they are gone. Actually ..there are still local prog scenes but not with the impact we experienced. Strawbs or King Crimson opening for a band like Humble Pie and tickets advertised on the radio ...I still can't believe it. In 2001 or 2002...I saw Nektar at the War Memorial in Trenton, N,J,  Bruce Springsteen was playing across the street that night. I stood outside the theatre remembering when bands like PFM used to open for mainstream Rock acts in the 70's. Wishbone Ash and Camel touring together across the Southern U.S.  Man and Hawkwind touring the U.S. together in 74' and Triumvirat on Don Kirshner's In Concert.  It's been too long since I experienced this and it feels like it all has been replaced with something else.....like phone booths were replace with cell phones. You can drive through South Jersey and not see a phone booth anywhere and that is the feeling I get from it.....as if it is dead. It's good because it's dead...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 07 2012 at 21:00
I went through a "you gotta hear this, now!" phase with prog when i first developed an interest in it. I found a lot of people not into it and not as appreciative of it as me, so long term i ended up expanding in prog for my own interest in it, and now don't care if others (family, friends) don't like it the way i do.
               Also, i was a latecomer to prog, and did not discover it, really until the late 1980s. I remember my friend telling me i was "The Beating Heart of Ottawa's Used Record Stores" and i guess he was right.
                   I find family members especially into the mainstream, which used to be annoying, but i guess i got over that feeling. 
                         
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 07 2012 at 20:29
Originally posted by TODDLER TODDLER wrote:

In 73/74 teenagers around me were listening to prog because it had hit the mainstream media popularity with bands like ELP, Yes, Genesis, and Jethro Tull. Pictures of Ian Anderson, Keith Emerson, Peter Gabriel, and Rick Wakeman were often featured on the front cover of magazines like "Hit Parader", "Circus", and "Creem". Teenagers on the east coast would throw parties and the main course of the evening's music would be "Thick as a Brick" or "Tarkus" and so on. Also the early Pink Floyd and it was common knowledge then. I was considered a freak because I preached the gospel of Gong, Camel. Centipede, Guru, Guru, Amon Dull and so many others that annoyed the hell out of everyone. Teenagers around me were fans of Black Sabbath, UFO, Blue Oyster Cult, Jimi Hendrix, Jefferson Airplane and to top it off a group that was considered lacking in talent by a majority of my sister's hippie friends...Grand Funk Railroad.  Early 70's fans of Grand Funk really enjoyed Keith Emerson and Ian Anderson because they had the image of "Rock Stars" ...but anything beyond that such as the European underground prog scene had mostly a cult following.
 
I went overboard with my efforts introducing people to the sounds of Gong and Camel which they cringed at relentlessly. The only artist I recall from the underground prog scene that made an impact was Mike Oldfield with his Tubular Bells release. I remember kids who listened to Karen Carpenter having that album and I couldn't quite understand then...how it could be possible? I had a lot of bizzare sadistic in nature type males for friends who would call me on the phone asking to borrow a CAN album. They would do this only to scare off their girlfriends. They would put on a strobe light and a CAN album to scare a girl away instead of telling her they wanted to break up. Totally insane if you ask me? Or they would borrow a Tangerine Dream album , set the speakers up in the windows, and scare off the trick or treaters who wanted candy. Beyond using prog for pranks...they had no real interest in it. Sometimes they found me annoying because I listened to it.

You and I had virtually identical experiences, friend!  

Let's see....started high school in 1969, graduated in 1973....ELP, Focus, Yes, Tull were all HUGE, both on the radio (even commercial AM stations!) as well live & on the turntable!  

We had a great little station in Chicago called TRIAD, please see http://pages.ripco.net/~saxmania/triad.html

They played fusion, Kraut-rock, stuff like Magma etc. late at night!  Also, "space rock" (electronic stuff like T. Dream, local acts like Stratosled) were heavily featured!  At one point, Chicago in the mid-70's was declared the "Space Rock Capital of the World".  

I didn't have to work hard to convert others to my tastes, although some good friends couldn't handle the British goofiness of early Genesis for some reason!   I quickly found out if someone shared my musical tastes & we went from there.  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 07 2012 at 19:20
When I traveled the road everyone seemed to know Jethro Tull like the back of their hand, but bands like Conventum and Art Zoyd were too obscure for a bulk of American tastes. Like Christian Decamps once said..."In the 70's we were playing to 50 or 60 thousand....now we play to 10 thousand. Oh well, same old B.S. in this business! I understood the humour/sadness in that because I had hands on situations traveling around with some of the well known prog bands in the 70's like Nektar and Happy the Man and so judging from that experience I would have to say unfortunately that one of the main reasons for everyone on this thread being outcast from a majority of people in society because they like Prog revolves around the fact that American audiences differ from European audiences. Just to spill guts and become a little daring I must say that I have conversed with Tirill (White Willow) many times about this subject and she has made claim that it is still quite the same. She has been supportive about my music expressing interest in working with me and further making it clear that I am in the wrong country for prog. I believe in her and trust that she is only being honest. I think we are outnumbered in America and that defines the trials from our youth and today.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 07 2012 at 19:02
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I still like Elvis. Elvis was cool.

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I still like Elvis. Elvis was cool.
In 1981 I was playing guitar for a Elvis impersonator in front of 50 thousand people. I would sit in the Holiday Inn with headphones listening to Univers Zero and on the bed next to me the trumpet player was doing the same but with Brian Eno's Music For Films. Steve Hackett and Renaissance were on the same circuit , playing the same theatres and we would often ask each other..."What the F are we doing  playing Elvis music?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 07 2012 at 11:06
I'm in that phase since when I have listened to Trilogy for the first time, I think it was in 1972
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 07 2012 at 10:32
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 07 2012 at 10:06
I did try to get some friends with similar music tastes to listen to some prog rock bands, and I stopped there.  I didn't and don't attempt to expound on the merits of prog.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 07 2012 at 09:37
Over and over again I hear this "live and let live" philosphy, that all music is equal and blah blah blah. 

Frankly, I disagree. All music is NOT equal. Does this mean the music I listen to is better? No, personal preference is a big part of it, but the "music" that focuses so obviously on being as shallow as possible is not a musical style in my opinion, it is mere business. 

I have always found a very distinct difference between music I don't like and can't understand that anyone would like and music that I don't like but respect for being creative. In essence, some music is art, some is business. No artist (well ok, hardly any) that has got a record deal is 100% art, but I still claim that I can identify music that focus on what is the easiest product to sell to most people. 

Just my opinion, and it really seems like very few agree with me here but I had to get that said :D
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 07 2012 at 08:06
Originally posted by ExittheLemming ExittheLemming wrote:

I'm probably being overtly cynical but I'll wager that those of you that have posted to the effect that yes, you tried to turn people onto Prog are being at best, disingenuous: if Prog became popular most of you wouldn't touch it with a bargepole
 
Not true.
 
I the top 50 chart albums were all prog I'd be happier than a dog with 2 tails. I've never liked prog because it's not mainstream because when I was in my teens/early 20s, it was.
 
I've always loved it because it's great music (well, some is).
 
And I used to use prog in my university lectures and still do in my more recent school classes and it's amazing how many students like it when they hear it. Last year, doing a physics masterclass practical with Opeth, Gentle Giant Steve Hackett and Camel playing resulted in several students going out and buying/downloading tracks and albums by them. Not one person complained.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 07 2012 at 07:56
I can't say that I ever have - if I think someone maybe receptive to Progressive Rock I might make a suggestion or two but no more than that - it's like those Amazon recomendations you get when purchasing a CD - "People who liked Sigur Ros also purchased Saint Etienne"  (actual example) ... my reaction is invariably "good for them" (though I may wonder if Sarah Cracknell and I are related in someway, I'll not buy (another of) their albums) and I suspect it's the same for anyone who I recommend an album or artist to - just because they've shown an interest in one band or track it does not follow that they'll like a similar or related band or track. Of course some of those recommendations are picked up and perhaps in doing that the person is won-over to the Church of Prog. A guitarist friend of mine did once ask who my favourite guitarists were and I reeled off a list of prog axe-men I admired - he tried them all and was impressed by some and not others and he did admit to appreciating Gilmour (for example) more than he had before - he had heard Floyd before and had been very dismissive (Comfortably Dumb, etc) - he is now a convert to Prog but I'll not claim that was all my doing.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 07 2012 at 07:32
I'm not convinced I've ever switched anyone on to prog rock. I did try sometimes a a teenager. I couldn't understand why someone wouldn't like Rush or Genesis or Pink Floyd.

ThenI grew up and realised that music means different things to different people. Even those, for whom music means a lot, it may not be musical complexity and lyrical ambiguity that floats their boat. ometims you have to live and let live when it coms to musical taste. oem people love Mexican food. Some people hate it. There's not much you can do about it, and ultimately I guess it doesn't matter.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 07 2012 at 06:34
Originally posted by ExittheLemming ExittheLemming wrote:

I'm probably being overtly cynical but I'll wager that those of you that have posted to the effect that yes, you tried to turn people onto Prog are being at best, disingenuous: if Prog became popular most of you wouldn't touch it with a bargepole


So what of the people who discovered prog during the 70's when the genre was booming, getting airplay and selling out venues ? Can't they appreciate prog now ? Or is most of the prog fanbase of nowadays tools who would have snubbed Yes and VDGG when when they released Close to the edge and Pawn Hearts cause it was too mainstream ? That's a sad vision =(
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 07 2012 at 04:42
Originally posted by ExittheLemming ExittheLemming wrote:

I'm probably being overtly cynical but I'll wager that those of you that have posted to the effect that yes, you tried to turn people onto Prog are being at best, disingenuous: if Prog became popular most of you wouldn't touch it with a bargepole

That is a tiny bit cynical LOL

I don't bother converting people. I've had this discussion before. I'll play them something I think they might enjoy simply because I want people to get the same enjoyment that I get from it. I'm generally very good a guessing whether they will like it or not though, and I rarely do it.
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I'm probably being overtly cynical but I'll wager that those of you that have posted to the effect that yes, you tried to turn people onto Prog are being at best, disingenuous: if Prog became popular most of you wouldn't touch it with a bargepole
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 07 2012 at 03:44
I used to cook food for homeless people, but I would only give it to them if they'd also listen to King Crimson.

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