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cstack3 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: July 20 2009 Location: Tucson, AZ USA Status: Offline Points: 7528 |
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Thanks, man! I feel the same, you'd fit right in with my circle of friends (same guys for 50+ years)!! My buddy Curt saw King Crimson & their "Islands" tour open for Humble Pie! I saw the Eagles open for Yes on CTTE!! The concert experiences are just too many to recount....Led Zepplin on July 4, 1974 (Chicago Stadium was like a battleground from all the fireworks!), Wild Turkey opening for Jethro Tull's TAAB tour, freakin' PETER FRAMPTON opening for King Crimson & the LTIA show at the late/great Kinetic Playground!! On & on! Tickets were usually about $5.00 each (instead of $100.00++!!) Amazing thing is, us old hippies (or wanna-be's like I am) still hang out & do the same basic stuff! Now we have amazing local tribute bands like the remarkable "Tributasaurus," who have done entire shows mimicking Genesis, Yes, ABBA, etc.!! Check 'em out: http://tributosaurus.bandzoogle.com/setlists.cfm?postid=1536718&feature=2940617 Everybody prog blows through Chicago sooner or later, but the days of the huge concert venue are over....the big shows these days involve all sorts of dance routines. Lady GaGa, Madonna etc. Keep in touch, Toddler! Here's a photo from the past by my buddy Curt (best concert photographer I ever saw), Yes "Relayer" tour, 1975!! This would be "Ritual" (notice the Les Paul Junior guitar). ![]() Edited by cstack3 - September 07 2012 at 23:59 |
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TODDLER ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: August 28 2009 Location: Vineland, N.J. Status: Offline Points: 3126 |
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Always great to read your posts. I feel like we are too ancient and the world cannot relate to our experiences. It's interesting to hear about prog in Chicago. Space Rock Capital of the World...that would have been perfect for me. It's very sad to me personally how there were once actual isolated Prog scenes in the 70's and now they are gone. Actually ..there are still local prog scenes but not with the impact we experienced. Strawbs or King Crimson opening for a band like Humble Pie and tickets advertised on the radio ...I still can't believe it. In 2001 or 2002...I saw Nektar at the War Memorial in Trenton, N,J, Bruce Springsteen was playing across the street that night. I stood outside the theatre remembering when bands like PFM used to open for mainstream Rock acts in the 70's. Wishbone Ash and Camel touring together across the Southern U.S. Man and Hawkwind touring the U.S. together in 74' and Triumvirat on Don Kirshner's In Concert. It's been too long since I experienced this and it feels like it all has been replaced with something else.....like phone booths were replace with cell phones. You can drive through South Jersey and not see a phone booth anywhere and that is the feeling I get from it.....as if it is dead. It's good because it's dead...
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presdoug ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 24 2010 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 8849 |
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I went through a "you gotta hear this, now!" phase with prog when i first developed an interest in it. I found a lot of people not into it and not as appreciative of it as me, so long term i ended up expanding in prog for my own interest in it, and now don't care if others (family, friends) don't like it the way i do.
Also, i was a latecomer to prog, and did not discover it, really until the late 1980s. I remember my friend telling me i was "The Beating Heart of Ottawa's Used Record Stores" and i guess he was right. I find family members especially into the mainstream, which used to be annoying, but i guess i got over that feeling. |
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cstack3 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: July 20 2009 Location: Tucson, AZ USA Status: Offline Points: 7528 |
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You and I had virtually identical experiences, friend! Let's see....started high school in 1969, graduated in 1973....ELP, Focus, Yes, Tull were all HUGE, both on the radio (even commercial AM stations!) as well live & on the turntable! We had a great little station in Chicago called TRIAD, please see http://pages.ripco.net/~saxmania/triad.html They played fusion, Kraut-rock, stuff like Magma etc. late at night! Also, "space rock" (electronic stuff like T. Dream, local acts like Stratosled) were heavily featured! At one point, Chicago in the mid-70's was declared the "Space Rock Capital of the World". I didn't have to work hard to convert others to my tastes, although some good friends couldn't handle the British goofiness of early Genesis for some reason! I quickly found out if someone shared my musical tastes & we went from there.
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TODDLER ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: August 28 2009 Location: Vineland, N.J. Status: Offline Points: 3126 |
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When I traveled the road everyone seemed to know Jethro Tull like the back of their hand, but bands like Conventum and Art Zoyd were too obscure for a bulk of American tastes. Like Christian Decamps once said..."In the 70's we were playing to 50 or 60 thousand....now we play to 10 thousand. Oh well, same old B.S. in this business! I understood the humour/sadness in that because I had hands on situations traveling around with some of the well known prog bands in the 70's like Nektar and Happy the Man and so judging from that experience I would have to say unfortunately that one of the main reasons for everyone on this thread being outcast from a majority of people in society because they like Prog revolves around the fact that American audiences differ from European audiences. Just to spill guts and become a little daring I must say that I have conversed with Tirill (White Willow) many times about this subject and she has made claim that it is still quite the same. She has been supportive about my music expressing interest in working with me and further making it clear that I am in the wrong country for prog. I believe in her and trust that she is only being honest. I think we are outnumbered in America and that defines the trials from our youth and today.
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Elvis is the poster child for over rated. |
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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TODDLER ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: August 28 2009 Location: Vineland, N.J. Status: Offline Points: 3126 |
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octopus-4 ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() RIO/Avant/Zeuhl,Neo & Post/Math Teams Joined: October 31 2006 Location: Italy Status: Offline Points: 14907 |
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I'm in that phase since when I have listened to Trilogy for the first time, I think it was in 1972
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I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution
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Padraic ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 16 2006 Location: Pennsylvania Status: Offline Points: 31169 |
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Never.
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rogerthat ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: September 03 2006 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 9869 |
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I did try to get some friends with similar music tastes to listen to some prog rock bands, and I stopped there. I didn't and don't attempt to expound on the merits of prog.
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Dean ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
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Vibrationbaby ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: February 13 2004 Status: Offline Points: 6898 |
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I still like Elvis. Elvis was cool.
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Josef_K ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August 15 2011 Location: Stockholm Status: Offline Points: 147 |
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Over and over again I hear this "live and let live" philosphy, that all music is equal and blah blah blah.
Frankly, I disagree. All music is NOT equal. Does this mean the music I listen to is better? No, personal preference is a big part of it, but the "music" that focuses so obviously on being as shallow as possible is not a musical style in my opinion, it is mere business. I have always found a very distinct difference between music I don't like and can't understand that anyone would like and music that I don't like but respect for being creative. In essence, some music is art, some is business. No artist (well ok, hardly any) that has got a record deal is 100% art, but I still claim that I can identify music that focus on what is the easiest product to sell to most people. Just my opinion, and it really seems like very few agree with me here but I had to get that said :D
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Leave the past to burn,
At least that's been his own - Peter Hammill |
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Hercules ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: June 14 2007 Location: Near York UK Status: Offline Points: 7024 |
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Not true.
I the top 50 chart albums were all prog I'd be happier than a dog with 2 tails. I've never liked prog because it's not mainstream because when I was in my teens/early 20s, it was.
I've always loved it because it's great music (well, some is).
And I used to use prog in my university lectures and still do in my more recent school classes and it's amazing how many students like it when they hear it. Last year, doing a physics masterclass practical with Opeth, Gentle Giant Steve Hackett and Camel playing resulted in several students going out and buying/downloading tracks and albums by them. Not one person complained. Edited by Hercules - September 07 2012 at 08:07 |
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A TVR is not a car. It's a way of life.
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Dean ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
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I can't say that I ever have - if I think someone maybe receptive to Progressive Rock I might make a suggestion or two but no more than that - it's like those Amazon recomendations you get when purchasing a CD - "People who liked Sigur Ros also purchased Saint Etienne" (actual example) ... my reaction is invariably "good for them" (though I may wonder if Sarah Cracknell and I are related in someway, I'll not buy (another of) their albums) and I suspect it's the same for anyone who I recommend an album or artist to - just because they've shown an interest in one band or track it does not follow that they'll like a similar or related band or track. Of course some of those recommendations are picked up and perhaps in doing that the person is won-over to the Church of Prog. A guitarist friend of mine did once ask who my favourite guitarists were and I reeled off a list of prog axe-men I admired - he tried them all and was impressed by some and not others and he did admit to appreciating Gilmour (for example) more than he had before - he had heard Floyd before and had been very dismissive (Comfortably Dumb, etc) - he is now a convert to Prog but I'll not claim that was all my doing.
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Blacksword ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: June 22 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 16130 |
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I'm not convinced I've ever switched anyone on to prog rock. I did try sometimes a a teenager. I couldn't understand why someone wouldn't like Rush or Genesis or Pink Floyd.
ThenI grew up and realised that music means different things to different people. Even those, for whom music means a lot, it may not be musical complexity and lyrical ambiguity that floats their boat. ometims you have to live and let live when it coms to musical taste. oem people love Mexican food. Some people hate it. There's not much you can do about it, and ultimately I guess it doesn't matter. |
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Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy!
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Chozal ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 01 2011 Location: Melun, France Status: Offline Points: 187 |
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So what of the people who discovered prog during the 70's when the genre was booming, getting airplay and selling out venues ? Can't they appreciate prog now ? Or is most of the prog fanbase of nowadays tools who would have snubbed Yes and VDGG when when they released Close to the edge and Pawn Hearts cause it was too mainstream ? That's a sad vision =( |
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The Infinite Progability Drive, feeding you daily progressive/weird music for just a like <3
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JS19 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 10 2010 Location: Lancaster, UK Status: Offline Points: 1321 |
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That is a tiny bit cynical ![]() I don't bother converting people. I've had this discussion before. I'll play them something I think they might enjoy simply because I want people to get the same enjoyment that I get from it. I'm generally very good a guessing whether they will like it or not though, and I rarely do it.
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ExittheLemming ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 19 2007 Location: Penal Colony Status: Offline Points: 11420 |
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I'm probably being overtly cynical but I'll wager that those of you that have posted to the effect that yes, you tried to turn people onto Prog are being at best, disingenuous: if Prog became popular most of you wouldn't touch it with a bargepole
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friso ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: October 24 2007 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 2506 |
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I used to cook food for homeless people, but I would only give it to them if they'd also listen to King Crimson.
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