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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 07 2012 at 19:00
Originally posted by Vibrationbaby Vibrationbaby wrote:

I still like Elvis. Elvis was cool.
In 1981 I was playing guitar for a Elvis impersonator in front of 50 thousand people. I would sit in the Holiday Inn with headphones listening to Univers Zero and on the bed next to me the trumpet player was doing the same but with Brian Eno's Music For Films. Steve Hackett and Renaissance were on the same circuit , playing the same theatres and we would often ask each other..."What the F are we doing  playing Elvis music?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 07 2012 at 19:02
Originally posted by Vibrationbaby Vibrationbaby wrote:

I still like Elvis. Elvis was cool.

Elvis is the poster child for over rated.
Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 07 2012 at 19:20
When I traveled the road everyone seemed to know Jethro Tull like the back of their hand, but bands like Conventum and Art Zoyd were too obscure for a bulk of American tastes. Like Christian Decamps once said..."In the 70's we were playing to 50 or 60 thousand....now we play to 10 thousand. Oh well, same old B.S. in this business! I understood the humour/sadness in that because I had hands on situations traveling around with some of the well known prog bands in the 70's like Nektar and Happy the Man and so judging from that experience I would have to say unfortunately that one of the main reasons for everyone on this thread being outcast from a majority of people in society because they like Prog revolves around the fact that American audiences differ from European audiences. Just to spill guts and become a little daring I must say that I have conversed with Tirill (White Willow) many times about this subject and she has made claim that it is still quite the same. She has been supportive about my music expressing interest in working with me and further making it clear that I am in the wrong country for prog. I believe in her and trust that she is only being honest. I think we are outnumbered in America and that defines the trials from our youth and today.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 07 2012 at 20:29
Originally posted by TODDLER TODDLER wrote:

In 73/74 teenagers around me were listening to prog because it had hit the mainstream media popularity with bands like ELP, Yes, Genesis, and Jethro Tull. Pictures of Ian Anderson, Keith Emerson, Peter Gabriel, and Rick Wakeman were often featured on the front cover of magazines like "Hit Parader", "Circus", and "Creem". Teenagers on the east coast would throw parties and the main course of the evening's music would be "Thick as a Brick" or "Tarkus" and so on. Also the early Pink Floyd and it was common knowledge then. I was considered a freak because I preached the gospel of Gong, Camel. Centipede, Guru, Guru, Amon Dull and so many others that annoyed the hell out of everyone. Teenagers around me were fans of Black Sabbath, UFO, Blue Oyster Cult, Jimi Hendrix, Jefferson Airplane and to top it off a group that was considered lacking in talent by a majority of my sister's hippie friends...Grand Funk Railroad.  Early 70's fans of Grand Funk really enjoyed Keith Emerson and Ian Anderson because they had the image of "Rock Stars" ...but anything beyond that such as the European underground prog scene had mostly a cult following.
 
I went overboard with my efforts introducing people to the sounds of Gong and Camel which they cringed at relentlessly. The only artist I recall from the underground prog scene that made an impact was Mike Oldfield with his Tubular Bells release. I remember kids who listened to Karen Carpenter having that album and I couldn't quite understand then...how it could be possible? I had a lot of bizzare sadistic in nature type males for friends who would call me on the phone asking to borrow a CAN album. They would do this only to scare off their girlfriends. They would put on a strobe light and a CAN album to scare a girl away instead of telling her they wanted to break up. Totally insane if you ask me? Or they would borrow a Tangerine Dream album , set the speakers up in the windows, and scare off the trick or treaters who wanted candy. Beyond using prog for pranks...they had no real interest in it. Sometimes they found me annoying because I listened to it.

You and I had virtually identical experiences, friend!  

Let's see....started high school in 1969, graduated in 1973....ELP, Focus, Yes, Tull were all HUGE, both on the radio (even commercial AM stations!) as well live & on the turntable!  

We had a great little station in Chicago called TRIAD, please see http://pages.ripco.net/~saxmania/triad.html

They played fusion, Kraut-rock, stuff like Magma etc. late at night!  Also, "space rock" (electronic stuff like T. Dream, local acts like Stratosled) were heavily featured!  At one point, Chicago in the mid-70's was declared the "Space Rock Capital of the World".  

I didn't have to work hard to convert others to my tastes, although some good friends couldn't handle the British goofiness of early Genesis for some reason!   I quickly found out if someone shared my musical tastes & we went from there.  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 07 2012 at 21:00
I went through a "you gotta hear this, now!" phase with prog when i first developed an interest in it. I found a lot of people not into it and not as appreciative of it as me, so long term i ended up expanding in prog for my own interest in it, and now don't care if others (family, friends) don't like it the way i do.
               Also, i was a latecomer to prog, and did not discover it, really until the late 1980s. I remember my friend telling me i was "The Beating Heart of Ottawa's Used Record Stores" and i guess he was right.
                   I find family members especially into the mainstream, which used to be annoying, but i guess i got over that feeling. 
                         
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 07 2012 at 23:11
Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

Originally posted by TODDLER TODDLER wrote:

In 73/74 teenagers around me were listening to prog because it had hit the mainstream media popularity with bands like ELP, Yes, Genesis, and Jethro Tull. Pictures of Ian Anderson, Keith Emerson, Peter Gabriel, and Rick Wakeman were often featured on the front cover of magazines like "Hit Parader", "Circus", and "Creem". Teenagers on the east coast would throw parties and the main course of the evening's music would be "Thick as a Brick" or "Tarkus" and so on. Also the early Pink Floyd and it was common knowledge then. I was considered a freak because I preached the gospel of Gong, Camel. Centipede, Guru, Guru, Amon Dull and so many others that annoyed the hell out of everyone. Teenagers around me were fans of Black Sabbath, UFO, Blue Oyster Cult, Jimi Hendrix, Jefferson Airplane and to top it off a group that was considered lacking in talent by a majority of my sister's hippie friends...Grand Funk Railroad.  Early 70's fans of Grand Funk really enjoyed Keith Emerson and Ian Anderson because they had the image of "Rock Stars" ...but anything beyond that such as the European underground prog scene had mostly a cult following.
 
I went overboard with my efforts introducing people to the sounds of Gong and Camel which they cringed at relentlessly. The only artist I recall from the underground prog scene that made an impact was Mike Oldfield with his Tubular Bells release. I remember kids who listened to Karen Carpenter having that album and I couldn't quite understand then...how it could be possible? I had a lot of bizzare sadistic in nature type males for friends who would call me on the phone asking to borrow a CAN album. They would do this only to scare off their girlfriends. They would put on a strobe light and a CAN album to scare a girl away instead of telling her they wanted to break up. Totally insane if you ask me? Or they would borrow a Tangerine Dream album , set the speakers up in the windows, and scare off the trick or treaters who wanted candy. Beyond using prog for pranks...they had no real interest in it. Sometimes they found me annoying because I listened to it.

You and I had virtually identical experiences, friend!  

Let's see....started high school in 1969, graduated in 1973....ELP, Focus, Yes, Tull were all HUGE, both on the radio (even commercial AM stations!) as well live & on the turntable!  

We had a great little station in Chicago called TRIAD, please see http://pages.ripco.net/~saxmania/triad.html

They played fusion, Kraut-rock, stuff like Magma etc. late at night!  Also, "space rock" (electronic stuff like T. Dream, local acts like Stratosled) were heavily featured!  At one point, Chicago in the mid-70's was declared the "Space Rock Capital of the World".  

I didn't have to work hard to convert others to my tastes, although some good friends couldn't handle the British goofiness of early Genesis for some reason!   I quickly found out if someone shared my musical tastes & we went from there.  
 
Always great to read your posts. I feel like we are too ancient and the world cannot relate to our experiences. It's interesting to hear about prog in Chicago. Space Rock Capital of the World...that would have been perfect for me. It's very sad to me personally how there were once actual isolated Prog scenes in the 70's and now they are gone. Actually ..there are still local prog scenes but not with the impact we experienced. Strawbs or King Crimson opening for a band like Humble Pie and tickets advertised on the radio ...I still can't believe it. In 2001 or 2002...I saw Nektar at the War Memorial in Trenton, N,J,  Bruce Springsteen was playing across the street that night. I stood outside the theatre remembering when bands like PFM used to open for mainstream Rock acts in the 70's. Wishbone Ash and Camel touring together across the Southern U.S.  Man and Hawkwind touring the U.S. together in 74' and Triumvirat on Don Kirshner's In Concert.  It's been too long since I experienced this and it feels like it all has been replaced with something else.....like phone booths were replace with cell phones. You can drive through South Jersey and not see a phone booth anywhere and that is the feeling I get from it.....as if it is dead. It's good because it's dead...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 07 2012 at 23:59
Originally posted by TODDLER TODDLER wrote:

 
Always great to read your posts. I feel like we are too ancient and the world cannot relate to our experiences. It's interesting to hear about prog in Chicago. Space Rock Capital of the World...that would have been perfect for me. It's very sad to me personally how there were once actual isolated Prog scenes in the 70's and now they are gone. Actually ..there are still local prog scenes but not with the impact we experienced. Strawbs or King Crimson opening for a band like Humble Pie and tickets advertised on the radio ...I still can't believe it. In 2001 or 2002...I saw Nektar at the War Memorial in Trenton, N,J,  Bruce Springsteen was playing across the street that night. I stood outside the theatre remembering when bands like PFM used to open for mainstream Rock acts in the 70's. Wishbone Ash and Camel touring together across the Southern U.S.  Man and Hawkwind touring the U.S. together in 74' and Triumvirat on Don Kirshner's In Concert.  It's been too long since I experienced this and it feels like it all has been replaced with something else.....like phone booths were replace with cell phones. You can drive through South Jersey and not see a phone booth anywhere and that is the feeling I get from it.....as if it is dead. It's good because it's dead...
Thanks, man!  I feel the same, you'd fit right in with my circle of friends (same guys for 50+ years)!!  

My buddy Curt saw King Crimson & their "Islands" tour open for Humble Pie!  I saw the Eagles open for Yes on CTTE!!  
The concert experiences are just too many to recount....Led Zepplin on July 4, 1974 (Chicago Stadium was like a battleground from all the fireworks!), Wild Turkey opening for Jethro Tull's TAAB tour, freakin' PETER FRAMPTON opening for King Crimson & the LTIA show at the late/great Kinetic Playground!!  On & on!   Tickets were usually about $5.00 each (instead of $100.00++!!)

Amazing thing is, us old hippies (or wanna-be's like I am) still hang out & do the same basic stuff!  Now we have amazing local tribute bands like the remarkable "Tributasaurus," who have done entire shows mimicking Genesis, Yes, ABBA, etc.!!  Check 'em out:  http://tributosaurus.bandzoogle.com/setlists.cfm?postid=1536718&feature=2940617

Everybody prog blows through Chicago sooner or later, but the days of the huge concert venue are over....the big shows these days involve all sorts of dance routines.  Lady GaGa, Madonna etc.  

Keep in touch, Toddler!  Here's a photo from the past by my buddy Curt (best concert photographer I ever saw), Yes "Relayer" tour, 1975!!   This would be "Ritual" (notice the Les Paul Junior guitar).  



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 08 2012 at 03:36
^ Oh, that is NOT a way to get dressed for a live performance. LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 08 2012 at 03:41
I have to say that I have influenced TOO many people when I was young.
From the age of 19 I started working as a DJ, (at a small local bar at first), and slowly slowly I was working in bigger and most known places. So, after the normal Rock-Hard-Heavy etc programm, and when it was late, I started playing  a few Prog songs at first, to see the people's reactions. After sometime I started after a certain hour to play only Prog, and noticed that after a few months there was a new wave of customers that were coming only late, and were really interested about this music. Once I met a guy who was coming every week late at nights only, and he was coming from the other side of Athens only to hear me play music... (Over 30 minutes away with a motorcycle)...
Later when I moved to a smaller bar again, (because I was really tired of slepping at 5-6 in the mornings), I started 1-2 days of the week to play only Progressive. And people were gathering from all around Athens for this...
Ah, great years back then!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 08 2012 at 08:25
Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

Originally posted by TODDLER TODDLER wrote:

 
Always great to read your posts. I feel like we are too ancient and the world cannot relate to our experiences. It's interesting to hear about prog in Chicago. Space Rock Capital of the World...that would have been perfect for me. It's very sad to me personally how there were once actual isolated Prog scenes in the 70's and now they are gone. Actually ..there are still local prog scenes but not with the impact we experienced. Strawbs or King Crimson opening for a band like Humble Pie and tickets advertised on the radio ...I still can't believe it. In 2001 or 2002...I saw Nektar at the War Memorial in Trenton, N,J,  Bruce Springsteen was playing across the street that night. I stood outside the theatre remembering when bands like PFM used to open for mainstream Rock acts in the 70's. Wishbone Ash and Camel touring together across the Southern U.S.  Man and Hawkwind touring the U.S. together in 74' and Triumvirat on Don Kirshner's In Concert.  It's been too long since I experienced this and it feels like it all has been replaced with something else.....like phone booths were replace with cell phones. You can drive through South Jersey and not see a phone booth anywhere and that is the feeling I get from it.....as if it is dead. It's good because it's dead...
Thanks, man!  I feel the same, you'd fit right in with my circle of friends (same guys for 50+ years)!!  

My buddy Curt saw King Crimson & their "Islands" tour open for Humble Pie!  I saw the Eagles open for Yes on CTTE!!  
The concert experiences are just too many to recount....Led Zepplin on July 4, 1974 (Chicago Stadium was like a battleground from all the fireworks!), Wild Turkey opening for Jethro Tull's TAAB tour, freakin' PETER FRAMPTON opening for King Crimson & the LTIA show at the late/great Kinetic Playground!!  On & on!   Tickets were usually about $5.00 each (instead of $100.00++!!)

Amazing thing is, us old hippies (or wanna-be's like I am) still hang out & do the same basic stuff!  Now we have amazing local tribute bands like the remarkable "Tributasaurus," who have done entire shows mimicking Genesis, Yes, ABBA, etc.!!  Check 'em out:  http://tributosaurus.bandzoogle.com/setlists.cfm?postid=1536718&feature=2940617

Everybody prog blows through Chicago sooner or later, but the days of the huge concert venue are over....the big shows these days involve all sorts of dance routines.  Lady GaGa, Madonna etc.  

Keep in touch, Toddler!  Here's a photo from the past by my buddy Curt (best concert photographer I ever saw), Yes "Relayer" tour, 1975!!   This would be "Ritual" (notice the Les Paul Junior guitar).  

    Cool shot! He reminds me of Alex Lifeson during the Hemispheres tour. lol!  Did you ever meet anyone in this life that saw the prime lineup of YES? Howe, Squire, Anderson, Wakeman, and Bruford on the Fragile tour? The lineup that was pictured in every rock magazine in America? There is 1 track on YESSONGS featuring this unit. I have yet to hear a full concert of this band. I think this is ironic since YES are the most popular prog band in histpry and the unit which made them famous has no concert footage or live recordings available to their fans.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 08 2012 at 08:45
I just kept the prog fetish to myself for a long time until I found some people who also liked the same music then you could not shut us up! We hung together to swap music but it didnt last long and we were on our separate ways. Its a lonely life this prog business. Pockets of people like some of it and many dont know its prog. Thanks to sites like this and the new Prog magazine its becoming widely known as a genre
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Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

Here's a photo from the past by my buddy Curt (best concert photographer I ever saw), Yes "Relayer" tour, 1975!!   This would be "Ritual" (notice the Les Paul Junior guitar).  
 
Great pic, indeed reminds of Lifeson Tongue
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 08 2012 at 14:52
Very similar phase here, i tend to just keep the more progressive or "weird" (as i describe the music to anyone that asks and i know won't enjoy it) to myself and just play the more alt-rock or mainstream music i own in more shared environments.

I don't get bothered by it though, i know it isn't for everyone. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 09 2012 at 00:26
Originally posted by TODDLER TODDLER wrote:

 Did you ever meet anyone in this life that saw the prime lineup of YES? Howe, Squire, Anderson, Wakeman, and Bruford on the Fragile tour? The lineup that was pictured in every rock magazine in America? There is 1 track on YESSONGS featuring this unit. I have yet to hear a full concert of this band. I think this is ironic since YES are the most popular prog band in history and the unit which made them famous has no concert footage or live recordings available to their fans.

Great point!  No, I missed that lineup by months (I saw White with the guys on the CTTE show, my first Yes show).  I knew a few older guys who saw a show at the late/great Kinetic Playground (a dangerous dump of a venue that burned down, taking a King Crimson Mellotron with it!)....the show had Yes open for Led Zeppelin!  Must have been Fragile I think.  

It's interesting, there are a few bits of TV tape with Banks and Kaye in the band, but nothing of the Fragile lineup (when "Roundabout" was topping the charts!).   I don't have an answer to that!  

Oh well, I had the chance to see ABWH, and Bruford with the Union tour (man, did he look bored!).  You bring up some great points, Toddler!  Keep it up!  Cheers, Chuck in Chicago
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Originally posted by Gerinski Gerinski wrote:

Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

Here's a photo from the past by my buddy Curt (best concert photographer I ever saw), Yes "Relayer" tour, 1975!!   This would be "Ritual" (notice the Les Paul Junior guitar).  
 
Great pic, indeed reminds of Lifeson Tongue
 

Ha!  When I saw Lifeson onstage, he was wearing high stockings & short-legged pants ("Fly By Night" tour)! 

It's interesting, this "pleated cape" thing that Howe is wearing was the rage back then!  Brian May wore one during the "Night At The Opera" show in Chicago, and the late/great bassist for Starcastle, Gary Strater, also used to wear one!   

Back then, proggers had a well-defined sense of fashion (or lack thereof, if you figure in all the capes that Wakeman wore!).  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 09 2012 at 21:54
Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

"progelytiser"...
That was me in my early phase - less of an 'evangelist' and more of a 'progelytizer'...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 11 2012 at 13:36
When I was younger I tried to convince people that prog was higher art, but now I just try and help people get the most out of whatever style of music they like. In my mind, doing that will open doors for people. Whether or not it leads to them appreciating prog.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 12 2012 at 12:02
Hi,
 
Nope.
 
I was there before "prog" started. In those days some folks thought that the term "art rock" was more interesting.
 
Listening to the redo's of ELP and KC these days, reminds me what was in my head in those days ... that helped me think this stuff was great, regardless of its label! But you have to have a "side ear" away from the socio-politic idealism that is usually fed you, even with a board like this.
 
Even Rick Wakeman said it ... it's on the net ... it was about the freedom, and that freedom was not "defined" and did not have a name ... and I have to admit, I like it better that way!


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 12 2012 at 13:04
Yup. Some music can really tap into your spiritual side. I
Not a religious person, but I certainly feel a sonic charge when I listen to the wonderful works of SAVIOUR MACHINE (Christian goth prog) and of course Art Rocks best DEAD CAN DANCE. Think that's about as far as I go.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 12 2012 at 14:46
^ I don't think you got it. It's not so much about the religious aspect of prog as it is about promoting prog. Not being mean Mr. Potato, just saying: reading the OP really helps.

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