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NotAProghead ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Errors & Omissions Team Joined: October 22 2005 Location: Russia Status: Offline Points: 8049 |
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^ Again, reported to almighty Easy Livin.
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Who are you and who am I to say we know the reason why... (D. Gilmour)
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Bosh66 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: February 23 2009 Location: Bolton, Lancs Status: Offline Points: 528 |
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Apologies but I have another duplicate http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=39675
My system froze and I made the mistake of hitting refresh! Please delete one of these. Thanks.
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Bosh66 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: February 23 2009 Location: Bolton, Lancs Status: Offline Points: 528 |
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Please can you delete this incorrect entry and duplicate (currently on front page). Sorry!
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NotAProghead ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Errors & Omissions Team Joined: October 22 2005 Location: Russia Status: Offline Points: 8049 |
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Please look, guys, I asked this question a year ago: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=81634&KW=wave+reissues.
Anyway we can't delete anything without admins.
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Who are you and who am I to say we know the reason why... (D. Gilmour)
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Windhawk ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: December 28 2006 Location: Norway Status: Offline Points: 11401 |
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But what should one do when that isn't the case. The reported item earlier on is one of about a dozen of similar releases by the same label. If one of them merits an entry in the database of it's own, so should all the additional items in the same series. All of them are set up in the exact same manner. And if they are to be included, where do you draw the line next in the plethora of definitive, classic, enhanced, remastered, reworked, regrouped, diamond, gold, silver, bronze, platinum, anniversary, bonus, special, extra special, de luxe and so on ad infinitum releases? We have 38.000 or so albums in the database right now, which would easily swell to 100.000 if these various more or less enhanced versions of previously released material with minor or major additions in the shape of extra material / new mix / enhanced production each are to be given an extra slot. If there is a need to add these new versions of previously released albums in as separate database entries then the floodgates needs to be opened. If not, they need to remain shut. If site policies aren't acted upon, they are worthless. The case in question doesn't even present a new scenario, it's one of many in a long ongoing series by a label, and a type of production that we have seen a plethora of for decades. That the series in question sports a few more bells and whistles than the average variety doesn't transform them into something else, just more of the same old. That we have past and current artists that are fairly productive (as pointed out by others) is besides the point really. I can't remember seeing too many complaints about all the productions by John Zorn for instance. Edited by Windhawk - October 20 2012 at 12:26 |
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Snow Dog ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: March 23 2005 Location: Caerdydd Status: Offline Points: 32995 |
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All re releases and new editions should be added to the current release.
But we do need a more flexible system. And singles and Eps should be seperated from where they currently are.
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probably less than Tangerine Dream's soundtracks, too.
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I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution
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I think a "new edition" is different from a reprint. This would make the number of dark sides of the moon fall from 25 to 4. Also including all the boxsets and editions, the total number of Pink Floyd albums is less that the official releases only of Senmuth.
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Windhawk ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: December 28 2006 Location: Norway Status: Offline Points: 11401 |
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Ok. Then I'll get to the job of adding in all 800 or so different editions of Pink Floyd's discography that I know of. Thanks for your sign of approval to this addition to the database and expansion of the database policies.
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NotAProghead ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Errors & Omissions Team Joined: October 22 2005 Location: Russia Status: Offline Points: 8049 |
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First of all, only M@X can do this. And it does not solve the problem. Anyway we have to think whether some reissue is different enough to have a separate entry. What's enough to call it "reissue"? 2 bonus tracks? Multichannel mix? 1 or several extra discs?
I strongly disagree. Why hide them in discography? And, again, it needs M@X to implement the feature (collapse/expand the section). I see no reason not to appear reviews on the frontpage. Why reviews of some MySpace (or whatever) singIes of aspiring bands should be here while, for instance, Floyd Immersion box sets not?
I think they are equally important. Especially for those who want to decide which edition of the album to buy.
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Windhawk ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: December 28 2006 Location: Norway Status: Offline Points: 11401 |
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Since the database is expanded by users, and we come across additions made a long time ago too by members that are hard to remove, a failsafe option might be to add a database sorting line simply to be called "Reissues". And place all such productions there. And to avoid misuse, have albums entered there hidden in the discography by default, and reviews made to them not to appear on the frontpage.
The thing about reissues is that they are reissues, no matter how expanded or altered they are. There are a few cases around of an entire album recorded anew, and those are just about the only ones that should be allowed in as a new entry. Edited by Windhawk - October 20 2012 at 00:08 |
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NotAProghead ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Errors & Omissions Team Joined: October 22 2005 Location: Russia Status: Offline Points: 8049 |
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And there are, for example, new ELP editions with new stereo and multichannel mixes by Steven Wilson. When I saw this review: http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=828022 I added 2CD+DVD info to ELP debut's page: http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=1862. I still doubt it was a good decision, perhaps it would be better to make a separate entry. But, from the other hand, it's the same music with some alternate takes. New 2CD+DVD edition would look strange everywhere - in Studio albums or in Compilations.
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Windhawk ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: December 28 2006 Location: Norway Status: Offline Points: 11401 |
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Hmmm, the database sure would get interesting if all reissues got their own page. I can always have a go at Pink Floyd if site philosophy on this has changed now ;-)
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NotAProghead ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Errors & Omissions Team Joined: October 22 2005 Location: Russia Status: Offline Points: 8049 |
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^ I'm not sure it should be removed, it's almost twice longer than 1984 release.
Here are details: http://www.realgonerocks.com/2012/10/twelfth-night-definitive-edition-of-live-and-let-live-to-be-released-in-november/. If it will be removed it's worth to copy beforehand this reissue's info to this page: http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=1354. Till now we don't have the one and only solution for extended editions like this. Some are at original albums' pages, some are separate entries.
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Windhawk ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: December 28 2006 Location: Norway Status: Offline Points: 11401 |
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Some Einstein added this one. Should be removed...
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NotAProghead ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Errors & Omissions Team Joined: October 22 2005 Location: Russia Status: Offline Points: 8049 |
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^ I think as a collaborator you should have the access to Admin panel. Read PM please.
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I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution
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NotAProghead ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Errors & Omissions Team Joined: October 22 2005 Location: Russia Status: Offline Points: 8049 |
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^ I have the same problems with Czech letters like č in Google Chrome.
It should be browser-independent, perhaps one day M@X will fix this.
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Who are you and who am I to say we know the reason why... (D. Gilmour)
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Eetu Pellonpaa ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: June 17 2005 Location: Finland Status: Offline Points: 4828 |
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As an observation, I have noted that with IE I have not been able to ad some characters like slavic č through admin panel, but these have worked through Firefox.
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NotAProghead ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Errors & Omissions Team Joined: October 22 2005 Location: Russia Status: Offline Points: 8049 |
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^ When adding albums from Admin panel the titles in Cyrillic letters (and all kinds of umlauts as well) are usually shown correctly.
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