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Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Yeah, I just don't get this psychopathic hatred some people have towards government jobs.  You need to reminded that we are the government.  And the worst kind of person you can have in government is someone who is dedicated to the proposition that our government is the problem when the real problem lies in those that have who have hijacked it to enrich themselves at the expense of those who aren't born wealthy. 

Look, I applied for a job with a government contractor that would have relocated me to Bagram.  Think about that for a minute.


I hope you're not accusing me of psycho hatred toward them.  If so, you're wrong.  



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Originally posted by The Doctor The Doctor wrote:

But Jim, to an unemployed person, it doesn't matter whether their job comes from the public or private sector. 




Public "growth" doesn't amount to growth.  It results in bubbles that pop.

The reason is that public spending creates artificial demand.
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Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Think about what? What is there to think there?

"We are the government" .

The problem with government job is that most of them are totally unproductive. They have to be paid, but they rarely create wealth for the economy (maybe in the sense that otherwise unemployed people can spend in stuff. But they are being paid with hikes in taxes so it's not really so).

The real problem is that you are regurgitating right wing talking points without actually knowing what the hell you are talking about...
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"Without actually knowing what the hell you are talking about."

Got a cartoon for that? 
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Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by The Doctor The Doctor wrote:

But Jim, to an unemployed person, it doesn't matter whether their job comes from the public or private sector. 




Public "growth" doesn't amount to growth.  It results in bubbles that pop.

The reason is that public spending creates artificial demand.


And it creates nothing new and valuable.
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Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by The Doctor The Doctor wrote:

But Jim, to an unemployed person, it doesn't matter whether their job comes from the public or private sector. 




Public "growth" doesn't amount to growth.  It results in bubbles that pop.

The reason is that public spending creates artificial demand.



It can also allocate resources towards meaningful and innovative things such as math and scientific research, which enable a country to stay ahead versus the competition.
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Originally posted by King of Loss King of Loss wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by The Doctor The Doctor wrote:

But Jim, to an unemployed person, it doesn't matter whether their job comes from the public or private sector. 




Public "growth" doesn't amount to growth.  It results in bubbles that pop.

The reason is that public spending creates artificial demand.



It can also allocate resources towards meaningful and innovative things such as math and scientific research, which enable a country to stay ahead versus the competition.


Antecedents please.
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Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by King of Loss King of Loss wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by The Doctor The Doctor wrote:

But Jim, to an unemployed person, it doesn't matter whether their job comes from the public or private sector. 




Public "growth" doesn't amount to growth.  It results in bubbles that pop.

The reason is that public spending creates artificial demand.



It can also allocate resources towards meaningful and innovative things such as math and scientific research, which enable a country to stay ahead versus the competition.


Antecedents please.

For example, the impetus for the Internet Revolution in the United States came from government funded military projects. Also, lots of technology that the masses take for granted. Also, government funded most of the scientific and healthcare research that enabled Americans to live much longer, to enjoy a relatively lucrative existence on earth. If you think the private sector would be able to fund some of the research, I beg to differ.
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Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Think about what? What is there to think there?

"We are the government" .

The problem with government job is that most of them are totally unproductive. They have to be paid, but they rarely create wealth for the economy (maybe in the sense that otherwise unemployed people can spend in stuff. But they are being paid with hikes in taxes so it's not really so).

The real problem is that you are regurgitating right wing talking points without actually knowing what the hell you are talking about...
Slarti accusing someone of "regurgitating" talking points LOL

This takes the pot and kettle thing to a new level...
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Originally posted by timothy leary timothy leary wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by The Doctor The Doctor wrote:

But Jim, to an unemployed person, it doesn't matter whether their job comes from the public or private sector. 




Public "growth" doesn't amount to growth.  It results in bubbles that pop.

The reason is that public spending creates artificial demand.


And it creates nothing new and valuable.


Yeah, all those highways, roads, the internet and cell phones.  Dead
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Cell phones?
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^ while cell phone network itself was developed independently from military cellular networks, most of the groundwork research and technology development was military funded and driven.

Edited by Dean - December 09 2012 at 14:50
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Oh, well it looked as if he was saying the devices themselves.
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Australian news bombarded by this at the moment... extremely sad






Basically 2 DJs made a prank call to a hospital to speak to Kate, Queens granddaughterand the secretary/ nurse Jacintha Saldana committed suicide.
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Originally posted by Jim Garten Jim Garten wrote:

Duchess of Cambridge hoax call nurse found dead

You know, I can't think of a single thing to say about this...


Well, this has really become the talking point in Australia too. I feel for the DJs who perhaps were only a small part of why she suicided. Theres more to this than on the surface. Suicides are a result of many things not just one prank call.


If you want to hear the call its here and it sounds ridiculous in itself.
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Michigan is on the verge of becoming a "right to be fired" state...err I mean "right to work" state.  I guess that I kind of have mixed feelings about this.  It doesn't really directly effect me because I have never belonged to a union, nor have I ever had to belong to a union.  On one hand, I would be OK with this if it wasn't for the fact that company management usually consists of a bunch of fat, greedy SOBs that will stop at nothing to screw their employees to fatten the bottom line and increase their own outrageous bonuses.  On the other hand, some Union bosses tend to be a bunch of fat, greedy b*****ds who live high off of the hog whilst doing nothing to really benefit the union members, except for the bad apple drunks and druggies who make the news and still get to keep their jobs because they belong to the Union.  On one hand Unions are the root cause of everything that is wrong with this country, but on the other hand, we would all still be making a dollar a day, working 16 hour days without any benefits if it weren't for unions.  And if you think this isn't true, just ask the Mexicans, Indians, Vietnamese, and Chinese, etc who are now doing all of the jobs that were too costly to perform in the USA any more.
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Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

Michigan is on the verge of becoming a "right to be fired" state...err I mean "right to work" state.  I guess that I kind of have mixed feelings about this.  It doesn't really directly effect me because I have never belonged to a union, nor have I ever had to belong to a union.  On one hand, I would be OK with this if it wasn't for the fact that company management usually consists of a bunch of fat, greedy SOBs that will stop at nothing to screw their employees to fatten the bottom line and increase their own outrageous bonuses.  On the other hand, some Union bosses tend to be a bunch of fat, greedy b*****ds who live high off of the hog whilst doing nothing to really benefit the union members, except for the bad apple drunks and druggies who make the news and still get to keep their jobs because they belong to the Union.  On one hand Unions are the root cause of everything that is wrong with this country, but on the other hand, we would all still be making a dollar a day, working 16 hour days without any benefits if it weren't for unions.  And if you think this isn't true, just ask the Mexicans, Indians, Vietnamese, and Chinese, etc who are now doing all of the jobs that were too costly to perform in the USA any more.


I haven't really looked into this, so I might be wrong, but as I understand it the law in Michigan would only apply to public sector jobs and only states that non-union members wouldn't have to pay union dues. If I'm right about that (too lazy to do research right now) how could anyone (except union bosses who stand to lose out on dues) be opposed to such a law?
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Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

On one hand Unions are the root cause of everything that is wrong with this country, but on the other hand, we would all still be making a dollar a day, working 16 hour days without any benefits if it weren't for unions.  And if you think this isn't true, just ask the Mexicans, Indians, Vietnamese, and Chinese, etc who are now doing all of the jobs that were too costly to perform in the USA any more.


A dollar a day wage isn't bad if the cost of living is sixty cents a day.
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Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

Michigan is on the verge of becoming a "right to be fired" state...err I mean "right to work" state.  I guess that I kind of have mixed feelings about this.  It doesn't really directly effect me because I have never belonged to a union, nor have I ever had to belong to a union.  On one hand, I would be OK with this if it wasn't for the fact that company management usually consists of a bunch of fat, greedy SOBs that will stop at nothing to screw their employees to fatten the bottom line and increase their own outrageous bonuses.  On the other hand, some Union bosses tend to be a bunch of fat, greedy b*****ds who live high off of the hog whilst doing nothing to really benefit the union members, except for the bad apple drunks and druggies who make the news and still get to keep their jobs because they belong to the Union.  On one hand Unions are the root cause of everything that is wrong with this country, but on the other hand, we would all still be making a dollar a day, working 16 hour days without any benefits if it weren't for unions.  And if you think this isn't true, just ask the Mexicans, Indians, Vietnamese, and Chinese, etc who are now doing all of the jobs that were too costly to perform in the USA any more.

Some of those so-called low-paying jobs don't require much skill at all and why should companies pay a high premium for these jobs? Some of those outsourced people are now making similar amounts of money to what the American workers are making, but it's cheaper to live there, so why not? It gives those countries some capital to develop their economies, while providing America with affordable, cheap products. Imagine if they made all that stuff in the States, it would cost way too much to buy and some products would become unaffordable for many.
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Scott, I've been looking at some YT vids and Google street views of Detroit....geezus christ!   I was stunned at the level and scope of the decay....I know all cities have some of this, and I"m not ripping Michigan, but I was just really saddened by this.  I hope there is something that can be done for this city to help bring it back, sincerely.
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