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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 10 2013 at 07:01
I thought we were talking about professional reviewers, not ourselves (amateurs), that's who i was referring to, and I certainly don't consider myself any kind of meaningful reviewer any more than the rest of the crowd on here. In the case of Prog reviews, I take it as purely personal opinion, with no meaning beyond that, so no offence was aimed at anyone here, my target was professional reviewers, an entirely different animal. For someone who's not in the habit of being rude, you're not doing a bad job, but I'm glad to respond in kind. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 10 2013 at 07:10
Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

^Are you always this cheerful?

Some reviewers actually know what they're talking about. Sometimes they've even spent half a century with a specific album. It's about love, feel and how you manage to get that across, without reducing oneself to phrases like "WOW" or "Bugger me, if it ain't a bassless tune" and "Rush are just about the most proficient symphonic band out there".

A good review can be as meaningful as the music, albeit in a very different media - presenting itself as a long lost soundtrack companion. 

May I just suggest that you lay off the generalisations for a bit? It doesn't suit you - and it will almost certainly alienate you from a lot of good people around here.

See my previous reply. I thought the topic about reviews referred to professionals, as in nerdy magazines and public-pandering grovelling, not amateurs reviewers as we are on here (including and especially myself). The joy of being an amateur on prog archives is we can say what we think, even though it's only relevant to ourselves or any like-minded lemming who staggers our way. Generalisations are sometimes the safest house to throw a brick in. The natives would get even more upset with real specifics, clinging as they do to their rituals and beliefs.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 10 2013 at 07:22
In my opinion, the best thing to happen to music criticism is the internet. Does anyone remember how stodgy, unflexible, and narrow-minded music criticism used to be? There were a few powerful gatekeepers who determined taste. I mean, just go back and have a look at, say, the original editions of THE ROLLING STONE RECORD GUIDE. "Rock and roll" had to conform to their (very narrow) expectations of what rock and roll "is." So Genesis was ridiculed, while Bob Seger was held up as the new Elvis or whatever, and Jackson Browne (anyone remember him?) and Tom Petty were the saviors of rock. Gimme a break. LOL At the same time, if I love, say, an REO Speedwagon song, can't I love it without being ridiculed by the Rolling Stone Record Guide and made to feel like an uncool dunce? Their whole stance could be quite offensive. I'm a former snob myself, and still have snobbish tendencies (LOL), but I much prefer the democratization of taste that the internet ushered in.

[I know I talked pretty harshly about All Music earlier - it has to do with my love of Burial and their ignoring his EPs - but I'm actually a fan of theirs, and how they don't set themselves up as some kind of arbiters of taste.]


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 10 2013 at 08:02
Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

Originally posted by DiamondDog DiamondDog wrote:

Reviewers are generally nerds who know nothing more about music than your average punter (which is next to nothing in the first place) but think their opinion is more valid than anyone else's. They are closely akin to DJ's and game show hosts.

I've been called some things in my life, but DJ and game show host??Ouch

That hurts.

See my other posts on this subject. These comments for meant for professional reviewers, not you or any amateur reviewer on the archives. The topic seems to suggest that professional reviewers should be the subject matter, not we amateurs. Certainly no reflection on you - I'm sure you are nothing like a DJ or game show host! If you were, you wouldn't have been offended in the first place.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 10 2013 at 08:10
I believe that the topic was clearly aimed at us people who post reviews in PA but OK, I gladly accept the clarification.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 10 2013 at 11:24
Looking at the topic again, I'm still not convinced it relates to amateur prog archive reviewers; it mentions the effect on readers and prospective buyers; that seems to suggest major mags and pro web review services like All Music/Rovi etc. Then again, it's hard to tell, perhaps the topic isn't laid out clearly enough. I certainly would not have written the piece I did had I thought of it relating to mere members of the public like us. Obviously, we are not important enough to influence anybody.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 10 2013 at 12:11
Regardless of what the topic was originally about, the discussion had already brought up AllMusic and peoples' dislike of that site and its reviewers.  So DiamondDog's comment was really just an extension of that.  That's how I read it anyway.  I didn't think it was out of line at all.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 10 2013 at 13:01
Originally posted by DiamondDog DiamondDog wrote:

Obviously, we are not important enough to influence anybody.
Don't underestimate yourself or this site, I find some useful guidance in PA reviews and frequently I prefer the comments from a passionate Prog fan than those from a professional music critic.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 10 2013 at 13:54
Originally posted by Gerinski Gerinski wrote:

Originally posted by DiamondDog DiamondDog wrote:

Obviously, we are not important enough to influence anybody.
Don't underestimate yourself or this site, I find some useful guidance in PA reviews and frequently I prefer the comments from a passionate Prog fan than those from a professional music critic.

I agree. And there's a thing called "reception theory," which has to do with how works are received by critics and by audiences, which critics and scholars and historians are geniunely interested in gathering and studying. (Although, given the ephemeral nature of the internet, there's not much of a paper trail and posts tend not to last very long...)


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 10 2013 at 17:56
My favorite PA reviewers are

Mellotron Storm

richardh

Ivan Melgar M

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no long winded explanations as to why-they are great reviewers
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 10 2013 at 17:58
Top five?  Let me give just one, for I usually don't have to look farther than his reviews for a good idea of what to expect:
Mellotron Storm
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 10 2013 at 18:41
Originally posted by presdoug presdoug wrote:

My favorite PA reviewers are

Mellotron Storm

richardh

Ivan Melgar M

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no long winded explanations as to why-they are great reviewers
Fully agree with the choice.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 10 2013 at 18:46
I think Rollie does a really nice job and seldom gets mentioned in these threads.  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 19 2013 at 17:20
I have a few favorite reviewers myself and I too will mention my personal top 10 also giving the reasons behind it, however there is one that made me laugh so much, I loved his review, it was most amusing yet articulate too, this was Tzirmay. I will not mention the band for which the review was made but there is one word that to date sticks in my mind, "Fluffy" hahaha, this is a band that is quite ecclectic, having diverse genre styles all-in-one album. here are some funny quotes from Tzirmay:
"....an unfathomable quasi-religious foray into the essence of progressive rock, a delirious symphony of sound, atmospheres and structures where the compositions have merit both as sonic arrangements as well as showcasing individual performances by the musicians involved. They have elected to incorporate a wide array of influences covering the entire prog spectrum, avant-garde Zappaisms, profound psychedelia, pastoral prog -folk, bluesy rock, swirly space, euro- eclectic and the kitchen sink! The whole sonic buffet is rather difficult to assess on first listen, simply to cornucopaic to swallow at first but what a menu! Welcome to Snippetville! All aaaaaboard! Pull up your boxers, here we go!"
 
"What a crew this is, three masterful weirdoes surrounded by a few friends!"
 
Now the best/funniest part that stood out for me in this review, was for a track which is the most crossover of the entire album, kind of rock ballad really, this is how Tzirmay very nicely/kindly described it and I quote: " Pleasant and fluffy. "
 
hahahahahaha!!!! This was so funny when I read it and it is still stuck in my mind those last words above hahaha LOL 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 20 2013 at 01:14
Originally posted by SaltyJon SaltyJon wrote:

Top five?  Let me give just one, for I usually don't have to look farther than his reviews for a good idea of what to expect:
Mellotron Storm
Same goes..............yay Jon !!!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 27 2013 at 00:09
Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

Originally posted by DiamondDog DiamondDog wrote:

Reviewers are generally nerds who know nothing more about music than your average punter (which is next to nothing in the first place) but think their opinion is more valid than anyone else's. They are closely akin to DJ's and game show hosts.

I've been called some things in my life, but DJ and game show host??Ouch

That hurts.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 27 2013 at 00:13
Originally posted by Gerinski Gerinski wrote:

Originally posted by presdoug presdoug wrote:

My favorite PA reviewers are

Mellotron Storm

richardh

Ivan Melgar M

Aussie_Byrd_Brother

no long winded explanations as to why-they are great reviewers
Fully agree with the choice.
 
Gerinsky you are a great reviewer too!!!! Even if you trashed my ultimate favorite band, you are really good, what you write is most articulate in terms of what you enjoy and like really Smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 27 2013 at 00:23
On my forum topic everyone is free to speak their mind as long it's decent and not insulting on a personal level. Wink I have great admiration for reviewers, others might not but I do.This said, bands do work hard to accomplish what they do, they invest a lot of time, money and effort into producing an album, reviews can be very constructive even if they are not positive however if a fan does not agree with one reviewer THEY SHOULD NOT TAKE IT OUT ON THE BAND!!! Common, this is true reviewers take it personally when their reviews are critiqued, meanwhile forgetting that the band made a heck of a lot of effort to produce what they did while being prone to critique. Disapprove

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 27 2013 at 00:58
Also I like honest and true people, I am most loyal, my friendship is forever, I do not hold grudges to those who are not nice either, I just switch them off, for good actually gone puff Smile I much prefer to spend my time and energy loving, smiling, having fun and hugging everyone Big smileHug
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 27 2013 at 13:01
It's always interesting to read people's views on music, whether or not they are professionals.
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