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ProgMetaller2112 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 08 2012 Location: Pacoima,CA,USA Status: Offline Points: 3150 |
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I'm not arguing I'm discussing this with you. I don't think that that is irrelevant though. |
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rogerthat ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: September 03 2006 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 9869 |
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I have already answered that question once, twice and this is the last time. Try getting that into your head or if you have another of your brain farts, go see the doc first. And try also to avoid your pseudo-condescension because it is hilarious; yes - shock and horror - we have heard all these albums that you go on and on. I had said Red is heavier than Yes or Genesis so comparing Musical Box to anything KC had released up to that point is irrelevant here. I don't think you have any convincing Yes or Genesis exhibits to demonstrate that they could be heavier than Red, so you deliberately twisted the argument just to score a point. For the last time, stop arguing and learn to discuss instead.
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ProgMetaller2112 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 08 2012 Location: Pacoima,CA,USA Status: Offline Points: 3150 |
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I agree but we are talking about KC and Genesis here not Deep Purple or Black Sabbath, haven't heard of sarcasm, eh
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rogerthat ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: September 03 2006 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 9869 |
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So what if it is? The TONE doesn't have much heaviness. Ditto, Musical Box. Such music is rather too melodic for me to associate it with heavy metal. Compare Knife to what Deep Purple were doing on In Rock or even the Warpigs riff, that is a lot heavier already. By 1971, there's no question that Sabbath was a lot heavier with tracks like Into the Void.
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ProgMetaller2112 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 08 2012 Location: Pacoima,CA,USA Status: Offline Points: 3150 |
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The Knife is not heavy ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Edited by ProgMetaller2112 - January 26 2013 at 20:37 |
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rogerthat ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: September 03 2006 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 9869 |
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It's not heavy anymore circa 2013 but at that time, it was. What was the heaviest music of that time? Maybe some Doors or the first LZ. It was heavier than any of those. By that token, Musical Box is not heavy as of today either, nor is Knife.
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ProgMetaller2112 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 08 2012 Location: Pacoima,CA,USA Status: Offline Points: 3150 |
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To me there is nothing heavy about Schizoid Man except the power chords overall it really is not heavy but I can see what you are talking about |
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rogerthat ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: September 03 2006 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 9869 |
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Dude, the Black Sabbath released only after Court of the Crimson King. You can make a pedantic objection if you like but the point stands that 21st century Schizoid Man was the heaviest rock music up to that point when it came out. Yes and Genesis weren't even close.
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ProgMetaller2112 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 08 2012 Location: Pacoima,CA,USA Status: Offline Points: 3150 |
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I'm not trolling, OK. I'm just trying to point out that you're wrong |
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ProgMetaller2112 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 08 2012 Location: Pacoima,CA,USA Status: Offline Points: 3150 |
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In 1969, there was nothing as heavy as 21st century Schizoid Man Black Sabbath was heavier |
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rogerthat ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: September 03 2006 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 9869 |
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Nope, because Schizoid was even earlier than Nursery Cryme, to say nothing of Relayer. In 1969, there was nothing as heavy as 21st century Schizoid Man and once again in 73-74, with Fracture and Red, KC made some of the heaviest rock music up to that point.
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rogerthat ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: September 03 2006 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 9869 |
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I had obviously made a comment comparing the track Red to Genesis or Yes, not KC tracks prior to Hogweed, Gates of Delirium, Musical Box. So now you are just twisting the argument in a desperate bid to 'win' it. If that does not characterise trolling, I don't know what does. And I don't see how Gates of Delirium is anywhere near as heavy as Red, not even close. Neither of those bands ever had such an industrial sound as that lineup of KC. I do agree that Hackett's solo on Musical Box anticipates the approach of metal lead guitar but for heavy rhythm guitar, KC is a lot more like metal than Genesis or Yes ever were.
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FusionKing ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 28 2009 Location: Scotland Status: Offline Points: 522 |
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Yes.
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ProgMetaller2112 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 08 2012 Location: Pacoima,CA,USA Status: Offline Points: 3150 |
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In this case heavy is in the ear of the beholder. I think Genesis has their moments of heaviness and they happened before KC pretty much |
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I never said KC were metal. The point I'm supporting is that I think King Crimson's heavy sections are heavier than any time Genesis gets a bit heavy, because I don't really think Genesis is ever heavy
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Sumdeus - surreal space/psych/prog journeys
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ProgMetaller2112 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 08 2012 Location: Pacoima,CA,USA Status: Offline Points: 3150 |
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Good News:Tony Iommi defeated cancer
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Sumdeus ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 23 2012 Location: SF Bay Area Status: Offline Points: 831 |
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nobody is saying King Crimson is metal. You don't have to be metal to influence metal. Genesis are not metal either. And Steve Hackett is not metal.
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Sumdeus - surreal space/psych/prog journeys
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ProgMetaller2112 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 08 2012 Location: Pacoima,CA,USA Status: Offline Points: 3150 |
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I suggest that you look up Metal Evolution the Episode for Prog Metal. Michael Giles is on it and he flat-out says that King Crimson is not Metal |
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Are you saying Hackett did? Cuz no
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Crushed like a rose in the riverflow.
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