Why listen to mediocre prog if you not a collector

desistindo wrote: I have a theory that only collectors listen to prog that arent a masterpiece (at least in personal taste perspective). If you can listen to a top star album, why would you listen a two star, for instance? Particularly speaking, I have many prog albums and I just linsten back to the tops. Does it occur with you too?

I understand what you mean. This idea was partially the basis for my thread on your prog favs sometimes letting you down. I like Yes and Genesis (for example) but I don't like ALL of their output. And yes I would say that I would therefore tend to listen to the ones I like more often than the albums I would rather forget.

Its all about opinions obviously - however, I wouldn't trash another persons opinion and persistently call one of the members of a band they really like a 'clown'.
It's called 'maturity'   

Edited by horza - March 17 2013 at 13:54

moshkito wrote: desistindo wrote: I have a theory that only collectors listen to prog that arent a masterpiece (at least in personal taste perspective). If you can listen to a top star album, why would you listen a two star, for instance? Particularly speaking, I have many prog albums and I just linsten back to the tops. Does it occur with you too?   you must have some awfully bizarre, insane and stupid ideas about collectors ... if I want all Mozart, wtf would I care if you think it is a 1-star, 2-star, or 3-star, specially when it went by your rankings?  Likewise, if I like music, and I did not care if it was prog or not, why would you be criticizing something I like? Or me criticising something that you like? There is no such thing as mediocre prog, or superior prog, and this is not a racist board ... so be kind enough to stop saying that one person is inferior to another! Snow Dog's comments are just as valid as mine .,.. except that he can't have the ugly duckling nickname ... that's mine!

This is just a theory, Pedro, so chill out. There is no predisposition on desistindo's part. It's just a theory (but I like to think of it as a hypothesis). Where did you see racism here or an air of superiority?

Edited by Dayvenkirq - March 17 2013 at 13:41

^ Very, very good point, Brian. This is exactly why I buy certain CDs. Maybe I don't like the music as much as its fans do, but I will still know it's regarded as a masterwork. I like keeping good stuff. And there's a lot of stuff that doesn't click - doesn't mean it doesn't deserve infinitely many more shots. I will listen to it as much as it takes no matter what critical things people have to say about it, be it DT or a post-early-70's Bee Gees album. Now, if something really makes me sick, I will still keep it just because it is regarded as a classic. Who knows? Maybe someday I will put up with things that used to grate my ears. If people don't like the album much, I won't buy it. And if I do not come back to a certain album, then it's because I'm busy with something else.

Edited by Dayvenkirq - March 17 2013 at 13:35

One person's mediocre is another persons Number One all-time favourite album, that's why.

I listen to Genesis so your theory isn't true !

Finnforest wrote: Some of those less acclaimed, below-the-radar albums can be quite rewarding.  Also because an album that may not appeal initially may eventually connect with you.  Personally I like to get away from big albums everyone raves about and occasionally listen to an album I know is an under-performer, perhaps one by a hobbyist musician in his basement or whatever.  It's a different experience, and not a bad one just because the album has 2 and 3 star ratings.

That is absolutely true. For instance, I love PYRAMAZE's music and all their albums are rated around 3 stars each on PA. I think it just comes down taste and opinion. Your right about what you said though. Certain songs are so good on an overall mediocre album. To good to pass up.    

Tapfret wrote: Every album is a masterpiece if you know how to listen to it correctly.

I don't quite agree with this, but I do think that there's a lot more good music than bad music in the world, and our main problem is not that we don't have good music, but that people don't listen to it properly.

Argonaught wrote: dr prog wrote: I don't listen to modern prog In your opinion, when does the classic "prog" end? Where is the cutoff line?

Edited by dr prog - November 22 2012 at 05:29

I don't listen to modern prog

Finnforest wrote: Some of those less acclaimed, below-the-radar albums can be quite rewarding.  Also because an album that may not appeal initially may eventually connect with you.  Personally I like to get away from big albums everyone raves about and occasionally listen to an album I know is an under-performer, perhaps one by a hobbyist musician in his basement or whatever.  It's a different experience, and not a bad one just because the album has 2 and 3 star ratings.

Exactly, thats what I did 40yrs ago.
There is a modern myth that prog. was hugely popular in the 70s, it wasn,t, Floyd being the only exception.
Back then, the more demanding the music , the less comercially sucessful it was, so nothing has changed.
In the early 70s, I had to agree to buy every Centle Giant album, in advance, as my local record shop would not take the chance of stocking them, because "they did'nt sell).
"Most rock journalism is people who can't write, interviewing people who can't talk, for people who can't read".... Frank Zappa.



Edited by Aquiring the Taste - November 22 2012 at 02:11