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Xonty ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: June 23 2013 Location: Cornwall Status: Offline Points: 1759 |
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It doesn't really have a single father because bands like Dream Theater were influenced by Rush who were influenced by Led Zeppelin who were influenced by old blues artists like Robert Johnson, Willie Dixon (and folk artists like Joan Baez and Bob Dylan) so it's going to be very subjective, depending how far back the line you are going to go
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ProgMetaller2112 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 08 2012 Location: Pacoima,CA,USA Status: Offline Points: 3150 |
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CPicard ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 03 2008 Location: Lŕ, sui monti. Status: Offline Points: 10841 |
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Let's say it was Rainbow: the former guitarist of Deep Purple with the future singer of Black Sabbath, and the math is solved!
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dr wu23 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August 22 2010 Location: Indiana Status: Offline Points: 20698 |
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One could make a case for that.......... ![]() From PA's very own page pn prog Metal... http://www.progarchives.com/subgenre.asp?style=19 "The Origins: The heavy sound of some of the progressive rock bands of the 70's has been one of the building blocks on which progressive metal was raised. Progressive rock pioneers such as KING CRIMSON and RUSH have often been acclaimed as the main influences of progressive metal bands. The other major influence has been the NWOBHM (New Wave of British Heavy Metal) movement, and especially the twin-guitar arrangements of IRON MAIDEN, which have left their stamp on the early stages of the genre's development." Interestingly...Sabbath isn't mentioned on that page.....just saying. ![]() Edited by dr wu23 - May 05 2013 at 11:17 |
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dr wu23 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August 22 2010 Location: Indiana Status: Offline Points: 20698 |
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I would agree with that,.....and as several have already pointed out in this thread there is more than one band who influenced the prog metal style. btw ..I voted for Rush. I listened to Sabbath from the very first lp while in college and I never saw them as progressive per se but more akin to heavy metal. At least that's how they seemed to me.
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Sabbath had a lot to do with it and later Iron Maiden who were really the first straight forward metal band to intruduce non-standard rhythms. But I think the real big bang in the prog metal universe was the metal - hardcore punk crossover scene. It was that point where those who railed against the "excesses of the rock music industry" found themselves turning away from the standard 3-4 chords, verse-chorus-verse-chorus-bridge-solo-bridge-verse-chorus structure. The backlash came round full circle.
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progbethyname ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 30 2012 Location: HiFi Headmania Status: Offline Points: 7887 |
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Prog has no sole fore-father, but many forefathers. Fripp is one of them indeed. Come on I mean a track like 21st century schizoid man in 1969 turned a few heads for sure. :)
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The Dark Elf ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: February 01 2011 Location: Michigan Status: Offline Points: 13369 |
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Prog metal had no father. It sprang full-formed from the forehead of Robert Fripp. Who promptly disowned it.
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progbethyname ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 30 2012 Location: HiFi Headmania Status: Offline Points: 7887 |
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f**k it. I stand by my 'other' vote.
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ole-the-first ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 03 2012 Location: Russia Status: Offline Points: 1534 |
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Stupid poll. Where are High Tide and King Crimson, for f**k's sake? Sabbath had nothing to do with prog, Rush came very lately, in mid-70's.
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HemispheresOfXanadu ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: June 28 2012 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 4339 |
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That's what I said on the last page, dammit.
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progbethyname ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 30 2012 Location: HiFi Headmania Status: Offline Points: 7887 |
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Oh hey guys? What about DEEP PURPLE? I think they have their place here as well.
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Dean ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
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sure.
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progbethyname ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 30 2012 Location: HiFi Headmania Status: Offline Points: 7887 |
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Metalacaca did cover stone cold crazy. Have you heard it? |
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progbethyname ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 30 2012 Location: HiFi Headmania Status: Offline Points: 7887 |
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Wicked step child!! ![]() Anyways broaching into the 'new Prog metal scene' Dream Theater are the big front runners for sound expression, especially for new prog bands. I don't think we can deny that. Therefore, this is a big reason why I list them as godfathers...not grandfathers :) |
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Prog_Traveller ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 29 2005 Location: Bucks county PA Status: Offline Points: 1474 |
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Other: Uriah Heep
Lots of bands combined prog with heavy rock/metal but I chose UH because they were before Rush. Black Sabbath were more metallish and not so much with the prog side. No significant use of keyboards with BS until 74 or so for example. |
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lazland ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: October 28 2008 Location: Wales Status: Offline Points: 13874 |
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Absolutely spot on.
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HemispheresOfXanadu ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: June 28 2012 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 4339 |
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Yes. But there are other early proggish/metallish bands from back then too. And Rush is a bit late to the party to be considered a father of prog metal.
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Isn't it about Sabbath? |
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