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Originally posted by Horizons Horizons wrote:

I promise there is emotional Math-Rock. It's just the PR/MR charts are unreliable. 

Look up the band Pretend, and their album - Bones in the Soil, Rust in the Oil. Hope you enjoy. 
 
Thanks. I will give that album an ear and post later in this thread.
 
By the way, I see you have Russian Circles as your sig. I listened to "Enter" back in 2007 or so and found it to be quite good. Never went back to it though. But that's just me.......
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Points: 31169 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 27 2013 at 14:04
My only issue was with the word inaccessible.  The implication is music that by some objective measure is difficult for people to appreciate, but then in the third post Kansas was mentioned.  Their popularity alone should indicate that they probably were quite accessible; that certain individuals don't like them or don't get them won't change that.

You've already clarified what you meant, however, so my quibble is already moot.
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Originally posted by Horizons Horizons wrote:

All this ends up being is ignorant ranting about a genre that is generalized. 
 
I see your point but, if, a person has listened to music and doesn't like it they can't be labeled as ignorant due to the fact that their ears don't like the same thing as someone else's ears.
 
For someone to dismiss a certain genre outright without giving any ear time is, indeed, quite ignorant.
 
 
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I promise there is emotional Math-Rock. It's just the PR/MR charts are unreliable. 

Look up the band Pretend, and their album - Bones in the Soil, Rust in the Oil. Hope you enjoy. 
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Points: 460 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 27 2013 at 13:39
Originally posted by irrelevant irrelevant wrote:

Originally posted by tupan tupan wrote:

For me, it is very difficult to tolerate ultra-complex bands without any melody, like Psyopus: http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=3010
With me, the deal is if it's gonna be batsh*t crazy complex stuff, there needs to be the appealing aesthetic factor. I listened to Psyopus once, didn't do anything for me. There are better tech metal groups out there. 
 
I always felt the hard part about Math Rock was getting emotion into what is essentially a cold, cerebral act of music requiring more concentration than emotion to perform. 
I mean....Great Math Rock should connect to a person on an emotional realm as well as a cerebral one.
 
Maybe this has something to do with the theory that some of us are right (emotional) brain oriented and some of us are left (logic) brain oriented.

 
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Points: 16952 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 27 2013 at 13:26
There isn't a New Math scene. 
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Originally posted by Hercules Hercules wrote:


Originally posted by progbethyname progbethyname wrote:

I think their are certain progressive sounds that do take some tolerance or getting used to, to fully appreciate what you are hearing.

My number 1 vote goes to Zheul Prog. MAGMA is a band that takes some getting used to.

Another. Post Rock/new math.....I think a band like ULVER would not be very accessible sounding for most.

Some Pyche/electronic Prog like Ozric Tentacles would really be way per the heads for a lot of people.

Also, Tech Extream. You basically have to be a person with a serious edge to appreciate and find this style of music accessible for you. I for one love it. I've even fallen asleep listening to some Meshuggha. Lol

But, to be clear on the true sense of the word 'accessible' I think at least 80% of Prog rock genres are not accessible or radio friendly in any way.....that's the beauty of Prog for me ! :)   

I agree with you on all these except the Ozrics. Magma are so pretentious; inventing their own language is the ultimate in being utterly ridiculous for me and their music is awful, though I concede that they are excellent musicians.
I also find The Mars Volta impossible to access.


Ummm maybe if we got most people hooked to some nifty psychedelics people would definitely blend with the Ozrics. :)
Now that's accessible and fun!!! State of mind is everything to appreciate what you are hearing. :)
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Originally posted by irrelevant irrelevant wrote:

What's this "New Math"? LOL


Modern math rock i should say. I mean it has changed quite a bit in the last 10 years, but altogether a fairly new genre compared to most. Sorry. I know you know what I mean, but I should have been a bit more clear on taut description. :)
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Points: 16952 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 27 2013 at 13:17
All this ends up being is ignorant ranting about a genre that is generalized. 
Crushed like a rose in the riverflow.
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Originally posted by Padraic Padraic wrote:

Is this really "most inaccessible" or "music I hate"?
 
With "inaccessible" I was trying to imply that one has listened to something but found it not to their liking, so...."hate" works....much stronger word, but, ultimetly, the end result is something one doesn't like.
 
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I don't like it if I cannot distinguish the music from random noise, which excludes a lot or Rio/Zeuhl bands as well as Post/Math Rock bands. At the same time, there are some artists in those categories I enjoy and admire such as Zappa (I cannot stand We're Only In It For The Money though for the above reason), The Residents, and Tortoise.
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Points: 13382 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 27 2013 at 12:29
Originally posted by Padraic Padraic wrote:

Is this really "most inaccessible" or "music I hate"?

Originally posted by schizoidman schizoidman wrote:

What Prog do you find the hardest, or, impossible to like?

"Music I hate" it is then!
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Is this really "most inaccessible" or "music I hate"?
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Points: 13382 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 27 2013 at 12:22
What's this "New Math"? LOL
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http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=7385
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Points: 13382 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 27 2013 at 12:20
Originally posted by tupan tupan wrote:

For me, it is very difficult to tolerate ultra-complex bands without any melody, like Psyopus: http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=3010
With me, the deal is if it's gonna be batsh*t crazy complex stuff, there needs to be the appealing aesthetic factor. I listened to Psyopus once, didn't do anything for me. There are better tech metal groups out there. 
New album!
http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=7385
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Points: 460 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 27 2013 at 12:19
Originally posted by progbethyname progbethyname wrote:

I think their are certain progressive sounds that do take some tolerance or getting used to, to fully appreciate what you are hearing.
 
It took me a few months and a few dozen tries at listening to Genesis' "Supper's Ready" before the light went on in my head and I got it.

Quote My number 1 vote goes to Zheul Prog. MAGMA is a band that takes some getting used to.
 
I never could listen to Magma.

Quote Another. Post Rock/new math.....I think a band like ULVER would not be very accessible sounding for most.
 
Post Rock/New Math/Math Rock....Crimson's take on it was, imo, uninspired and heavy without any substance other than to waste time, for the most part. Certain bits were OK but overall not worth listening to more than a few times as I found it lacking any attachment to my musical appetite. I always felt the hard part about Math Rock was getting emotion into what is essentially a cold, cerebral act of music. 

Quote Some Pyche/electronic Prog like Ozric Tentacles would really be way per the heads for a lot of people.
 
I haven't listened to Ozric Tentacles in a few years....never felt the need to hear them more them a few times. 

Quote Also, Tech Extream. You basically have to be a person with a serious edge to appreciate and find this style of music accessible for you. I for one love it. I've even fallen asleep listening to some Meshuggha. Lol
 
Amazing isn't it? That's what makes the world go 'round. We all have our favorites.

Quote But, to be clear on the true sense of the word 'accessible' I think at least 80% of Prog rock genres are not accessible or radio friendly in any way.....that's the beauty of Prog for me ! :)   
 
100% agree Thumbs Up
 
 


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Points: 13382 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 27 2013 at 12:15
Originally posted by schizoidman schizoidman wrote:

Originally posted by irrelevant irrelevant wrote:

The sort of cheesy prog that can occasionally sound like Christian rock. 
 
If you mean groups like Kansas than I totally agree. Ever since I first heard them I thought they were a poor man's version of Yes. And, God help me for saying this on PA, but I feel the same way about Rush. Could never appreciate their musical substance, or, in my ears case, lack of it.
I actually love Kansas, even though they've got the cheese. I was thinking of more modern neo-ish type groups with the super-pristine production and often indistinguishable, characterless vocal style. Problem is I can't recall any names at the moment. 
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Points: 1241 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 27 2013 at 11:33
For me, it is very difficult to tolerate ultra-complex bands without any melody, like Psyopus: http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=3010


Edited by tupan - September 27 2013 at 11:33
"Prog is Not Dead and never has been." (Will Sergeant, from Echo And The Bunnymen)
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