Well here is the thing. I always loved and appreciate music that has an edge to it, but Death Growls or vocals is really something I could not tolerate at all in one point in my life. Now, I feel that a genre like Tech Extreme has really grown on me. I don't listen to just melodic metal based music anymore. I have grown to appreciate bands like Atheist, Neurosis, Meshuggha, Early Opeth, Dethklok, Agalloch and even Amon Amarth.
I quite love it actually, but melodic death metal is something I am warming up to because I feel I get the best of both worlds both vocally and musically for my edgy tastes these days.
Overall though, the category of Metal is so versatile to ones listening tastes. The ranges are incredible and the more advanced side of metal like Prog metal, post/experimental and tech extreame are incredible categories of music.
But, as I said. It took me a while to get into Doom/metal and Death Metal specifically. It was not love at first listen. ;)
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Posted: September 28 2013 at 09:51
This thread has a lot to do with personal taste I guess, which makes the whole thing quite interesting. Most prog musicians are very good, but for some reason, fans rate them good or bad, mostly depending on their personal taste.
I'm not into the Metal side of things, since it's the type of music I don't really like, but I like heavy, melodic rock. All the screaming/growling is something I cannot relate. But I could not dare say they are not good musicians, or that they have no feelings/emotions into their music, it's simply that is not my kind of music, and I'll leave it at that.
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Posted: September 28 2013 at 09:47
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It sounds like most people are talking about music that they listened to a number of times but couldn't get into. I'd be interested to hear about artists/ albums that people eventually came to like after a very long time.
It took me a while to appreciate Henry Cow's "Leg End". Nearly all (if not all) of their music is through-composed, so it takes a long time to take it in. I think that's really impressive, but it's very rare for an artist to be able to write a great through-composed piece that feels cohesive, and I'm not sure I feel that they entirely achieve that. In Praise of Learning took a while too, but I absolutely love it now.
Weirdly, Genesis took a very long time for me too. I had listened to Nursery Cryme and Selling England by the Pound so many times thinking, "It sounds like I should like this, but it just isn't very interesting." One day it just kind of hit me. Those moments are really nice.
It's rare for anything to sound great to me on first listen, it seems, but some things take a lot longer than others.
Same feelings about Genesis. Albums that I've revisited after years are TD Zeit, Sylvian-Czukay Plight and Premonitions, and yesterday I have surprised myself liking Caravan's "The Album"...
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Posted: September 28 2013 at 00:57
It sounds like most people are talking about music that they listened to a number of times but couldn't get into. I'd be interested to hear about artists/ albums that people eventually came to like after a very long time.
It took me a while to appreciate Henry Cow's "Leg End". Nearly all (if not all) of their music is through-composed, so it takes a long time to take it in. I think that's really impressive, but it's very rare for an artist to be able to write a great through-composed piece that feels cohesive, and I'm not sure I feel that they entirely achieve that. In Praise of Learning took a while too, but I absolutely love it now.
Weirdly, Genesis took a very long time for me too. I had listened to Nursery Cryme and Selling England by the Pound so many times thinking, "It sounds like I should like this, but it just isn't very interesting." One day it just kind of hit me. Those moments are really nice.
It's rare for anything to sound great to me on first listen, it seems, but some things take a lot longer than others.
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Posted: September 27 2013 at 21:23
There are some challenging albums I can enjoy if I am in the right mood, such as Beauborg by Vangelis. I also find Herbie Hancock's Mwandishi trilogy challenging, and some of the Jazz/Fusion of Miles, but again in the right mood, the music is nothing less than awesome.
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Agree. I've never heard Demetrio Stratos before but enjoyed this little tidbit. But I guess it'll become too much in the long run.
I also agree about TFK, I've never understood the appreciation for this band. They sound like mainstream Swedish pop to my ears. You know, Tomas Ledin, Lena Philipson and the likes, although with a somewhat more elaborate production.
The Stratos album is entirely made up of sounds emanating from this man's incredibly versatile vocal chords (may he rest in peace). It is a hard listen, I'll admit to that, and it took me a while to get into - and it's not one I can just pop on at every given moment. Really need something of warm up for that
I get what you're saying about TFK, but then again I'm glad that they have the following they've got. Roine seems like a very nice chap - even if I don't exactly enjoy his music, and something tells me that I'm part of the minority vote on that one. To each his/her own I guess
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Posted: September 27 2013 at 15:39
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Inaccessible (but great imo): Demetrio Stratos
Accessible (not so great imo): Flower Kings
Agree. I've never heard Demetrio Stratos before but enjoyed this little tidbit. But I guess it'll become too much in the long run.
I also agree about TFK, I've never understood the appreciation for this band. They sound like mainstream Swedish pop to my ears. You know, Tomas Ledin, Lena Philipson and the likes, although with a somewhat more elaborate production.
I pretty much have at least one or more fave bands in each PA prog subgenre except "Experimental Post-Metal" & "Progressive Metal" where I've never heard anything that I liked. Also, I can tolerate "Crossover Prog" though it's only a short step above classic rock for me. Oh, and I've never heard any band in the "Indo-Prog/Raga Rock" category.
I pretty much have at least one or more fave bands in each PA prog subgenre except "Experimental Post-Metal" & "Progressive Metal" where I've never heard anything that I liked. Also, I can tolerate "Crossover Prog" though it's only a short step above classic rock for me. Oh, and I've never heard any band in the "Indo-Prog/Raga Rock" category.
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With your affinity for the French scene, I would've thought you knew of Andre Fertier's Clivage? Listed here under the very same moniker, this act flows freely between psych, fusion, zeuhl, Indian inspired music, symphonic and something akin to the kind of funk you hear in Blaxpoitation movies. I love this thing!
Here's a tune from their masterpiece Mixtus Orbis:
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I pretty much have at least one or more fave bands in each PA prog subgenre except "Experimental Post-Metal" & "Progressive Metal" where I've never heard anything that I liked. Also, I can tolerate "Crossover Prog" though it's only a short step above classic rock for me. Oh, and I've never heard any band in the "Indo-Prog/Raga Rock" category.
I promise there is emotional Math-Rock. It's just the PR/MR charts are unreliable.
Look up the band Pretend, and their album - Bones in the Soil, Rust in the Oil. Hope you enjoy.
Thanks. I will give that album an ear and post later in this thread.
By the way, I see you have Russian Circles as your sig. I listened to "Enter" back in 2007 or so and found it to be quite good. Never went back to it though. But that's just me.......
Thanks.
They're a band that doesn't stick to being strictly cerebral.
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Posted: September 27 2013 at 14:39
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All you need to appreciate all the genres is a bit of open mind, and the right attitude while listening. Then you can even not like a thing, it's human, but never put a stone over something. I have rediscovered a lot of things just going back after years. Sooner or later I may be able to like Genesis, who knows?
It would be a much, much, much, much better world if more people would, or could, have that outlook.
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Posted: September 27 2013 at 14:29
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My only issue was with the word inaccessible. The implication is music that by some objective measure is difficult for people to appreciate, but then in the third post Kansas was mentioned. Their popularity alone should indicate that they probably were quite accessible; that certain individuals don't like them or don't get them won't change that.
You've already clarified what you meant, however, so my quibble is already moot.
It is truly an art form to communicate one's intentions, meanings and so on in internet forums. I have found the members of PA to be some of the more patient, articulate and like-thinking minds, so, I enjoy this place very much.
Kansas, while being popular, are, to my ears, inaccessible, due to the lack of any emotional attachment on my part with their music. I hate to keep knocking them because I respect that others do find them uplifting and get that certain thing from them that they don't from other groups. I respect their value to others though they have none with me.
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Posted: September 27 2013 at 14:24
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progbethyname wrote:
Hercules wrote:
progbethyname wrote:
I think their are certain progressive sounds that do take some tolerance or getting used to, to fully appreciate what you are hearing.
My number 1 vote goes to Zheul Prog. MAGMA is a band that takes some getting used to.
Another. Post Rock/new math.....I think a band like ULVER would not be very accessible sounding for most.
Some Pyche/electronic Prog like Ozric Tentacles would really be way per the heads for a lot of people.
Also, Tech Extream. You basically have to be a person with a serious edge to appreciate and find this style of music accessible for you. I for one love it. I've even fallen asleep listening to some Meshuggha. Lol
But, to be clear on the true sense of the word 'accessible' I think at least 80% of Prog rock genres are not accessible or radio friendly in any way.....that's the beauty of Prog for me ! :)
I agree with you on all these except the Ozrics. Magma are so pretentious; inventing their own language is the ultimate in being utterly ridiculous for me and their music is awful, though I concede that they are excellent musicians.
I also find The Mars Volta impossible to access.
Ummm maybe if we got most people hooked to some nifty psychedelics people would definitely blend with the Ozrics. :)
Now that's accessible and fun!!! State of mind is everything to appreciate what you are hearing. :)
I can assure you that, despite liking the Ozrics, I have never taken any illicit substances and certainly not any psycho-active ones! They are perfectly accessible without.
I have taken them instead, when I was younger, and Ozrics wouldn't be a band for these moments. Syd Barrett and his fairytales was the best fit.
Regardless this "outing", I have taken a lot of time to really appreciate Magma but now I'm a zeuhl fan. I have bought TD's Zeit in the 70s and I have started loving TD in the 80s. Now that's one of my top ten albums. All you need to appreciate all the genres is a bit of open mind, and the right attitude while listening. Then you can even not like a thing, it's human, but never put a stone over something. I have rediscovered a lot of things just going back after years. Sooner or later I may be able to like Genesis, who knows?
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Posted: September 27 2013 at 14:10
progbethyname wrote:
Hercules wrote:
progbethyname wrote:
I think their are certain progressive sounds that do take some tolerance or getting used to, to fully appreciate what you are hearing.
My number 1 vote goes to Zheul Prog. MAGMA is a band that takes some getting used to.
Another. Post Rock/new math.....I think a band like ULVER would not be very accessible sounding for most.
Some Pyche/electronic Prog like Ozric Tentacles would really be way per the heads for a lot of people.
Also, Tech Extream. You basically have to be a person with a serious edge to appreciate and find this style of music accessible for you. I for one love it. I've even fallen asleep listening to some Meshuggha. Lol
But, to be clear on the true sense of the word 'accessible' I think at least 80% of Prog rock genres are not accessible or radio friendly in any way.....that's the beauty of Prog for me ! :)
I agree with you on all these except the Ozrics. Magma are so pretentious; inventing their own language is the ultimate in being utterly ridiculous for me and their music is awful, though I concede that they are excellent musicians.
I also find The Mars Volta impossible to access.
Ummm maybe if we got most people hooked to some nifty psychedelics people would definitely blend with the Ozrics. :)
Now that's accessible and fun!!! State of mind is everything to appreciate what you are hearing. :)
I can assure you that, despite liking the Ozrics, I have never taken any illicit substances and certainly not any psycho-active ones! They are perfectly accessible without.
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The other one's called Metrodora and just as..... erm experimental
Listed here under the very same moniker, this act flows freely between psych, fusion, zeuhl, Indian inspired music, symphonic and something akin to the kind of funk you hear in Blaxpoitation movies. I love this thing!
