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Posted: October 01 2013 at 19:23
Surrealist wrote:
Padraic wrote:
Surrealist wrote:
Once computers entered the picture for editing and recording.. the game was over. The new prog is the copy and paste generation.
This is utterly false.
This is utterly true. How do I know? I have a studio that used Pro Tools and Cubase and Digital Performer and bands would spend hours telling me to fix this and that or they were going to go to someone who could.
It's the copy and paste generation. While it may be your generation.. it's not mine. You eat that pasta... not me.
Vapid generalizations about all modern music because...you used Pro Tools.
If you're such a purist, why do you even have those tools in "your studio" in the first place?
I get it, you're probably around 50 or so and never moved past your Genesis and Camel vinyls. That's fine, but hardly a reason to make yourself look silly on the internet.
I take it Rudess's Haken Finger board continuum isn't gonna be revered here.
I think having the mind set that technology, especially with the use of computers is the result of non classic sounding Prog is not accurate at all.
Listen I just listened to Fates Warning's new album, and it sounds very authentic and fresh without a crazy override of computer technology that some are complaining about. Give it a listen...could change your point of view. :)
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Posted: October 01 2013 at 03:15
Whatever you use to make music, even your farts, is ok until the music is good. Computers or not it's the result what matters. OF course there's more fun in watching Mr Wakeman playing with his undetermined number of fingers instead of Edgar Froese standing in front of a sequencer, but when it comes from a speaker there's no difference.
When Geesin and Waters have put farts and trivia of this kind on tapes and Geesin played piano on it the result was quite good and progressive and between tapes and computers the difference in this case is in the use of scissors instead of a mouse.
Think to the most experimental period of Battiato (late 70s). He has released albums made mainly of tapes cut and pasted together plus various synths and sequencers. When he later decided to make pop music he hired Giusto Pio and his violin.
What about the music of spheres by David Gilmour and The Orb?
I can get your point and I hate house and techno as well as I hated the 70s disco music, but your attitude sounds just conservative and close-minded to me.
If you were around in the early 60s what would have you thought about Theremins?
I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution
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Posted: October 01 2013 at 01:19
Padraic wrote:
Surrealist wrote:
Once computers entered the picture for editing and recording.. the game was over. The new prog is the copy and paste generation.
This is utterly false.
This is utterly true. How do I know? I have a studio that used Pro Tools and Cubase and Digital Performer and bands would spend hours telling me to fix this and that or they were going to go to someone who could.
It's the copy and paste generation. While it may be your generation.. it's not mine. You eat that pasta... not me.
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Posted: October 01 2013 at 01:16
Horizons wrote:
Surrealist wrote:
Once computers entered the picture for editing and recording.. the game was over. The new prog is the copy and paste generation.There are kids making prog albums on Garage Band that have never picked up an instrument. Put your computers away when it's time to record music. Pick up your instrument and try to make Close to the Edge, Tarkus, Foxtrot or The Power and the Glory without the crutch of a computer. Then you'll quickly get a real wake up call and an appreciate for the great bands that came before all this digital silliness.
Oh please. You'll make me vomit.
Vomit sounds more artistic and passionate than the lifeless garbage that's hitting your ear drums coming out of Pro Tools in the digital age.
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Posted: September 30 2013 at 19:50
But
The first album I remember not liking after thinking I would would be Unfold the Future. It was just boring. I was so disappointed that I listened to it maybe weekly until I finally beat it into my head that it was a good album. This is all my opinion, but that was pretty f**ked up.
^Just leave him be. The last time he had his fingers on the pulse of 'progressive music' was back in 74. Whatever he has to say about modern music and it's "downfall" is based on infinitely little knowledge and a bias that literally oozes out of his posts like a cheese gone bad.
(Argh snap!....I actually just posted a response to him in another thread)
“The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.”
Once computers entered the picture for editing and recording.. the game was over. The new prog is the copy and paste generation.There are kids making prog albums on Garage Band that have never picked up an instrument. Put your computers away when it's time to record music. Pick up your instrument and try to make Close to the Edge, Tarkus, Foxtrot or The Power and the Glory without the crutch of a computer. Then you'll quickly get a real wake up call and an appreciate for the great bands that came before all this digital silliness.
Oh please. You'll make me vomit.
But somehow I'm not really surprised to read that.
HemispheresOfXanadu wrote:
^I think he just spelled hip-hop wrong. Err... and referenced non-hip-hop albums...
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