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Posted: January 04 2014 at 20:26
I'm guessing some of the 'conservatives' here are that way because they're more interested in the realties of the mystery and not just the mystery itself. What draws me to the UFO phenomena is the same thing that draws me to crop circles, biometric communication, and JFK: I want to know what's really going on. If it turns out it's all man-made myth, then I want to know that.
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Posted: January 04 2014 at 19:50
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I assume his point is that seemingly otherworldly events are captured in ancient art. Though to me, a man in a starship or balls of fire in the sky don't indicate anything paranormal.
I know what he was probably inferring, I wanted it from his own mouth in his own words. I don't presume to assume anything.
A man in a starship in the 12th century is paranormal. Even if it was 100% real it is still paranormal. We must agree use a common vocabulary here or it just becomes a game of clever word play, and that will only add to the confusion, especially for those for whom English is a second language.
A man in a starship in the 12th century is indeed paranormal. But a painting of one is not. Rather, it reflects both man's imagination and yearning to trek outward.
Well, yes... but only if the 12th century artist intended to paint a man in a starship. If, on the other hand, he painted the personification of the the Sun and the Moon, which is in keeping with mythology if not perhaps theology, then it only reflects man's imagination. But that is not what Sventonio is now saying - he is taking the image literally as if it were a Polaroid photograph.
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Posted: January 04 2014 at 19:39
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Jokes aside, I think it's interesting that Greys in both appearance and especially in behaviour correspond not insignificantly to "The Fair Folk" pre-Disneyfication as well as demons in some cultural traditions. I basically think it's the same mythological archetype at play in different contexts.
How so? There isn't actually a consistent description of either so there cannot be a not insignificant correspondence between them. However, I do agree with the premise in principle - aliens are the new mythology or as (my favourite SF author) John T Sladek put it : The New Apocrypha.
It was written in 1974 but is still a tome worth reading, if only for the chapter on UFOs.
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Posted: January 04 2014 at 19:34
Dean wrote:
Atavachron wrote:
I assume his point is that seemingly otherworldly events are captured in ancient art. Though to me, a man in a starship or balls of fire in the sky don't indicate anything paranormal.
I know what he was probably inferring, I wanted it from his own mouth in his own words. I don't presume to assume anything.
A man in a starship in the 12th century is paranormal. Even if it was 100% real it is still paranormal. We must agree use a common vocabulary here or it just becomes a game of clever word play, and that will only add to the confusion, especially for those for whom English is a second language.
A man in a starship in the 12th century is indeed paranormal. But a painting of one is not. Rather, it reflects both man's imagination and yearning to trek outward.
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This is the illustration used for the Communion cover-- interestingly, Strieber now says he wishes he hadn't used the image, as it too strongly suggested the classic alien character. He now feels his "visitors" mayn't have been from outer space.
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Posted: January 04 2014 at 19:08
What he looks the the most like, though, is Megamind.
Jokes aside, I think it's interesting that Greys in both appearance and especially in behaviour correspond not insignificantly to "The Fair Folk" pre-Disneyfication as well as demons in some cultural traditions. I basically think it's the same mythological archetype at play in different contexts.
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Posted: January 04 2014 at 17:13
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It is probably also relevant here that the British occultist Aleister Crowley claimed to have met an angel called Lam, who in Crowley's drawing hereof strongly resemble the "Greys" who currently besiege UFO contactees.
Yes, he is Lam I remember his face... he is a grey variety
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It is probably also relevant here that the British occultist Aleister Crowley claimed to have met an angel called Lam, who in Crowley's drawing hereof strongly resemble the "Greys" who currently besiege UFO contactees.
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Posted: January 04 2014 at 13:59
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Isn't very strange that the renaissance artist - who painted that Maddona so beautiful - "doesn't know" to paint the Sun well, although he painted the figure in a landscape who is watching that "sun"?
It is not the Sun. No one has ever said it was the Sun. If there is a Sun in the picture it's on the left of the Madonna (one "D" two "N"s).
I don't know what it is, the best guess is it is an illuminous cloud or the holy spirit, except it could be a lot brighter. There is a similar object in a painting of the Annunciation that shows the holy spirit in the form of a dove descending from an illuminous cloud. I cannot think of one valid reason why Filippino Lippi would paint a UFO in this painting and not in any other.
In all these: Why would any religious paintings ever depict a UFO? Give me one good reason. Hell, I'm feeling generous: I'll accept one half-baked reason.
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Posted: January 04 2014 at 13:32
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The Baptism of Christ by Flamish artist Aert De Gelder, 1710, Fitzwilliam Museum - Cambridge, England.
In this case, a comment is unnecessary.
Apparently it is:
"As soon as Jesus was baptised, he went up out of the water. At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting on him. 17 And a voice from heaven said, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased."" - Matthew 3:16
Note the scripture does not say: "At that moment a spaceship did appear and four tractor beams alighted on him."
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