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moshkito
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Posted: November 08 2014 at 13:05 |
I don't think he ever heard it, or seen the movie!
For the record, the album is OK, but nothing to even bother wasting time discussing. At least one of the groupies does not sound very good, and is actually rude. The others are OK. As for singing and what not ... I find them better than 3 of the top 4 women singers in the top ten list! They might not look as "sexy" now as they did then, but we were not looking for dollies, either!
The movie is the real trip. It is not quite related to the album but it is a classic! One of a kind! And worth seeing for the record, not for any glaring historical significance.
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Posted: November 08 2014 at 10:18 |
SteveG wrote:
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I think he was referring to the cover
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moshkito
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Posted: November 08 2014 at 09:37 |
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^ When KC first came out I did not get it at all, I was too young, Schizoid was cool because of the metal sound, distorted and all that. The rest of the album made no sense.......Flash forward a long time and I have only begun to appreciate KC in the past 10yrs. Pulling that album out 10-15yrs ago I knew something was not right with the recording.
Then reading about how the tape deck was not aligned well, creating a bad recording...You can't fix that. But SW did do a better job than any of the reissues before his. It allowed me to hear, feel the music much better, an understanding....The intricacies of what KC wa doing I was now hearing better. ... |
I think I was lucky. Having heard so much classical music, and modern stuff, including Bartok, Russell, Orff and others, allowed me to hear something in the rock music that no one around me had, or knew about. Even in Brazil, the experimental classical music scene that eventually gave us Villa Lobos was quite different, than the norm and the standard "classics".
By the time I heard Sgt Peppers, Their Satanic Majesty's BS, Days of Future Passed, and all the way to KC, and several others, I was no longer afraid of the screaming guitar. Not to mention that at the time, you can hear Edgar Broughton Band, and many other smaller bands in London, doing the same thing, and LA had its batch, and NY, of course, had its batch in Iggy and even the Ramones, all of whom were getting some attention, but not in radio, or the top ten fascist choices.
hearing KC's first, to me, was just like hearing Fairport convention first time, or Amon Duul 2, or Can, and the only exception that scared me, was Tangerine Dream ... Mysterious Semblance for the Strand of Nightmares, gave me a loop and a half, and that was the last time any piece of music has been strange, weird, off the wall, and beyond my ability and imagination to hear it and get a feel for it.
I still do not have a good feel for some eastern music, some of which is really hard to get into because we are so tied up to a beat and a measure ... but all in all, the difference was what helped me decide this was great. PLUS, I knew what it was about ... no one could deny the epitath for one's friends that dies in the IRA thing, or VietNam, but these days, no one knows about the emotion that creates, and people are mostly de-sensitized to it. Saying it is almost ... bizarre and not possible. No one would write a rock'n'roll song for idiots that died kinda thing!
How times have changed. But we knew, then, that it was meaningful music. But you had to get off the "top ten" to get a feel for it, and I did. Most of my friends didn't!
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Posted: November 08 2014 at 09:30 |
^There's no sex in prog! Didn't you get the memo?
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moshkito
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Posted: November 08 2014 at 09:25 |
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I'm more interested in hearing a GFTO remix |
I was thinking that the GTO's remix would be much more interesting. Of course, it needs to be sexier, too!
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Posted: November 08 2014 at 08:56 |
I think part of the problem is that this was an album that cried out for being re-mastered. I just have a lot of memories of trying to listen to it on lps or tapes. Then again, sometimes it's nice to skip over something to enjoy it fresh at a later time with all our attention.
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Posted: November 08 2014 at 08:48 |
I heard the samples on the Yes YouTube channel and I love it. I never saw Relayer as a favorite Yes album, but after hearing this, I'm really looking forward to the whole thing remixed.
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Posted: November 08 2014 at 06:22 |
dr wu23 wrote:
Imperial Zeppelin wrote:
I'm more interested in hearing a GFTO remix |
Not a bad idea then he can remix TFTO and edit out the filler and we might have a decent single album. |
Noooo. If he does, and he removes so much as 1 second, I will never forgive him.
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Posted: November 07 2014 at 13:10 |
I agree the Panegyric version of Relayer sounds murky. I bought the original when it was first released and I do not recall it sounding grungy at all. On the contrary, it was sharp.
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Posted: November 07 2014 at 11:39 |
By the way, I would love for Steve Wilson to remix Tormato. The album is so compressed and tin-sounding. The music itself is, in my opinion, really good. But the production is terrible.
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Posted: November 07 2014 at 10:46 |
Thanks so much Padraic. I found Handbrake, VLC, and a couple of others, none of which worked. But your find works perfectly. I already bought a copy.
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Posted: November 07 2014 at 09:08 |
Imperial Zeppelin wrote:
I'm more interested in hearing a GFTO remix |
Not a bad idea then he can remix TFTO and edit out the filler and we might have a decent single album.
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Posted: November 07 2014 at 05:52 |
I'm more interested in hearing a GFTO remix
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Posted: November 06 2014 at 23:18 |
^ When KC first came out I did not get it at all, I was too young, Schizoid was cool because of the metal sound, distorted and all that. The rest of the album made no sense.......Flash forward a long time and I have only begun to appreciate KC in the past 10yrs. Pulling that album out 10-15yrs ago I knew something was not right with the recording.
Then reading about how the tape deck was not aligned well, creating a bad recording...You can't fix that. But SW did do a better job than any of the reissues before his. It allowed me to hear, feel the music much better, an understanding....The intricacies of what KC wa doing I was now hearing better.
For that reason I enjoy what SW is doing with all these remix projects.
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Posted: November 06 2014 at 18:59 |
Catcher10 wrote:
..... I agree most remasters are money-grabs, a full remix is worth the price of admission when SW is at the helm, he knows what he is doing. |
In general I agree. However, when I heard KC's first, I have to admit that there was nothing in it that helped me feel any different than when it came out and I first heard it. To me, it is not the orchestra and how different a "director" it has, but how the music comes out. I did not feel, that there was anything different in the emotional involvement of the work itself and that merely changing the volumes and instrument placement on the left ear or right ear, made that much of a difference for me, or would for you. The problem is, that we think the LP's are better, and the digital solution keeps trying to make the LP redundant, and so far it has not done so. Sometimes, I think that what we need in the top, is not a Karajhan or Leinsdorf, but a Bernstein! And while Steven deserves credit for the work, in the end, I think he would do much better if he got around to going back to his band. He's taking far too much credit for this, and far too much criticism, and all he is doing is really trying to clean up what would normally be considered bad recording that could not be fixed in the old days of the tape recorder ... and in that, one could say that he did well.
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Posted: November 06 2014 at 16:28 |
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I mean, I've already read somewhere that the second-to-the-last remaster is the best. And as many times that I've read here that its original recording is crappy, I still like it intensely (and find it very intense in parts) to not yearn for anything more. Any new remaster just seems to be another money-grab, and I've grown weary of that run-around. |
Steven did not just do a simple remaster...This is a remix of the original analog tapes. A remix is a much more involved process than a simple remaster. He actually takes each channel/track and makes adjustments to correct volume issues, pushing instruments and sounds back or forward depending on what the artist wants. That is why what he does has the approval of the artist, he works in conjunction with them. Take what he has done with King Crimson, those remix versions are brilliant and are corrected for much better sound and mix. From these tapes he will probably create high resolution digital master files in a 24bit resolution and from there come the DVD-A/5.1 discs as well as vinyl. The regular CD will be truncated down to redbook standard of 44/16bit......I agree most remasters are money-grabs, a full remix is worth the price of admission when SW is at the helm, he knows what he is doing.
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Posted: November 06 2014 at 15:55 |
Stupid question for you folks: While it's easy-peasy to rip the music from a CD, is there a way to rip the music from a DVD? iTunes won't do it; anyone know a utility that will do in on the Mac?
In order to retain the pristine condition of my CDs, I rip them all into uncompressed AIFF files. I can then easily listen to the digital files on stereo and various digital devices.
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Posted: November 06 2014 at 09:14 |
I mean, I've already read somewhere that the second-to-the-last remaster is the best. And as many times that I've read here that its original recording is crappy, I still like it intensely (and find it very intense in parts) to not yearn for anything more. Any new remaster just seems to be another money-grab, and I've grown weary of that run-around.
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