2nd Round Portland Bracket: ELP v. Camel

Roger That, Roger That.  Camel are generally considered part of the Canterbury family.  Its not just the Richard Sinclair connection.  For instance, I saw Andy Ward playing in 'Going Going' with Hugh Hopper (supporting Gongmaison at Brixton Fridge)

rogerthat wrote: Hercules wrote: rogerthat wrote: Ivan_Melgar_M wrote: Stool Man wrote: Camel didn't make Love Beach. Neither Trilogy or Brain Salad Surgery. Only the ones who take the risk can ruin an album. Playing Pictures at an Exhibition before a myriad of hippies who didn't even knew who Mussorgsky was, is a risk Camel always played safe with soporiferous albums. I can only listen Moonmadness without feeling an urge to go to sleep . Iván Kind of sums up my views, though I probably like Mirage more than any ELP album.  Even Mirage was heavily derivative of a lot of Canterbury. Er, no it wasn't. Camel didn't know where Canterbury was until Richard Sinclair joined. And a track titled Supertwister, bearing a lot of similarity to the band Supersister, was pure coincidence?  I don't think so.

Edited by Hercules - December 18 2014 at 04:38

Meltdowner wrote: This poll is breathtaking

Or, the ELP people have sucked all the oxygen out of the room 

Emotion is an essential part of any damn good symphonic-wise prog piece, ELP does not only satisfies this requisite qualifications but often exceeds it with their genuine lush and manic kind of energy that literally wants to conquer the world!, and this especially Keith Emerson managed to bring so brilliantly out from the classical world (the most emotional music world that I've ever listened to, one of the main reasons it's my long time favourite form of music.)

micky wrote: hah. Sounds like another bullsh*t ELP criticism.

Its not bullsh*t to me as its how I respond to them. ELP's music is kind of emotional I guess as there's not many bands that has a sound that I find so repulsive that it makes me want to destroy... things. Of course there's not much to discuss. I can't stand ELP you fall asleep to Camel.

Edited by Saperlipopette! - December 17 2014 at 17:51

Saperlipopette! wrote: Taking creative risks is a great thing when a band like King Crimson does it as they never fail to connect with me emotionally. Just like Camel often does. ELP were mediocre as experimentalists and I've never considered experimenting interesting by default.

hah. Sounds like another bullsh*t ELP criticism. Along with being too serious, too pretentious all the while while people hammer them for NOT being such in lighter more off beat 'fun' tracks they did to lighten the mood of their albums. So it is to lack of emotion with ELP. Is that the critcism of the day to throw at them Bullsh*t.

I'm all for music connecting emotionally. It is the single most important thing I look for myself.  ELP does. Emotion is not simply soft and sensitive. We are humans.. full of innate rage and agreession and music very often is that release we have to keep from expressing it in very real ways.

 That is what I love most about ELP'smusic.  It is damn well emotional. As Ivan noted earlier.. ELP is pure adrenalin... and music that is extremely aggressive and hits you over the head inspires emotions just as valid and as strong as the urge to chill out, fall f**king asleep or OD on vallium as Camel does.

Quick! Get the camel some water for Pete's sake!

Taking creative risks is a great thing when a band like King Crimson does it as they never fail to connect with me emotionally. Just like Camel often does. ELP were mediocre as experimentalists and I've never considered experimenting interesting by default.    

as well on counting on him recognizing what these lovely gentlemen expressed so succinctly.

Ivan_Melgar_M wrote: Stool Man wrote: Camel didn't make Love Beach. Neither Trilogy or Brain Salad Surgery. Only the ones who take the risk can ruin an album. Playing Pictures at an Exhibition before a myriad of hippies who didn't even knew who Mussorgsky was, is a risk Camel always played safe with soporiferous albums. I can only listen Moonmadness without feeling an urge to go to sleep . Iván

because... though ELP did swing and miss at times... but when they made contact.. they hit moonshots..

Padraic wrote: To me nothing I have heard from Camel even approaches the best that ELP had to offer.

consistency is just another word for mediocrity... only the best like ELP and King Crimson really made creative risks. Sure ELP missed... but they connected AS many if not more. Those first 5 albums are mandatory prog albums in ANY prog fans collection.  They are part of the basic DNA of prog rock.  Nothing Camel did qualifies as either. Mandatory or genre defining.

Hercules wrote: rogerthat wrote: Ivan_Melgar_M wrote: Stool Man wrote: Camel didn't make Love Beach. Neither Trilogy or Brain Salad Surgery. Only the ones who take the risk can ruin an album. Playing Pictures at an Exhibition before a myriad of hippies who didn't even knew who Mussorgsky was, is a risk Camel always played safe with soporiferous albums. I can only listen Moonmadness without feeling an urge to go to sleep . Iván Kind of sums up my views, though I probably like Mirage more than any ELP album.  Even Mirage was heavily derivative of a lot of Canterbury. Er, no it wasn't. Camel didn't know where Canterbury was until Richard Sinclair joined.