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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 18 2015 at 23:12
There isn't a single 70s sound, there are many.  Let me demonstrate:
Taking just one band: some of Pink Floyd's 70s albums sound very different from each other - if you didn't know that Atom Heart Mother, Wish You Were Here, and The Wall were all by the same band you'd never guess it just from listening to them for the first time.  Now multiply that by a hundred other examples, and you'll see clearly that many bands don't have a single sound.  And obviously the sound differences between bands are even more different.

There also isn't a sixties sound, an eighties sound, or a 2010s sound.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 18 2015 at 21:32
Well, Rick Wakeman himself did his retro albums, with only instruments from the 70's (out of his collection, I understand), and even though I would say they are really good albums... they don't sound 70's at all... they sound rather modern actually.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 18 2015 at 21:25
1. Works of art can only exist in their time. Not in the future, not in the past.  That's why no band will ever be able to clone the 70s rock music. They can sound identical to the 70s, but they won't feel authentic.

2. For people who aren't all that familiar with the 70s sound, you can duplicate the 70s feel and they won't be able to tell the difference. There's a guy I know that composes classical works (something like piano sonatas) that sound just like Beethoven's piano pieces.  Enough to fool me!  I certainly can't tell if it's the real Beethoven or someone in 2015 writing new Beethoven sound-alike music.

3. Just because you can clone the 70s prog, doesn't mean anyone out there will do it. The OP mentioned "personal and artistic work". You can't create that kind of work if you're trying to clone somebody else.  The guy I just mentioned who wrote Beethoven sound-alike pieces?  He's not creating any personal or artistic work. It's the opposite of personal and artistic.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 18 2015 at 20:41
If you listen to Big Big Train's Underfall Yard or English Electric albums (I is better than II), they capture the 70s sound (Genesis with hints of Crimson and Yes), but they manage to incorporate it into an entirely new jargon. The lyrics are particularly well done and downright poetically beautiful without being maudlin or sing-song melodic. A song like "Judas Unrepentant" is incredibly clever and catchy at the same time, while the dark undertones, sad story, musical precision and powerful vocals of "A Boy In Darkness" represents what I think is the best of new prog, quite divorced from the 70s:
 
  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 18 2015 at 20:36
That early prog sound for sure can not be cloned as Dolly was as well, but the contemporary prog can be recorded and produced majestically in a retro-prog style. I'd like to recommended some great retro-prog albums by the contemporary prog bands:
 
 
The Wistman Tales (2014) by Napier's Bones (UK)
 
 
 
 
 
Of Things That Never Were (2013) by The Worm Ouroboros (Belarus)
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
A Peaceful Nacht In Hell (2013) by One Of These Days & Thee Heavy Random Tone Colour Lab (Spain)
 
 
 
 
 
 
Lizards Exist s/t (2014) (Croatia)
 
 
 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 18 2015 at 20:01
Out of all bands that are known to be rip offs, you chose Haken :I

To answer the question:

No.

I think anything that sounds like it comes from the 70's, and isn't, never will hit the same level of impressiveness, influence, quality, whatever. Simply because it isn't really embodying the mentality that progressive rock is supposed to represent. Sure there is a difference between influence and copying, but if you instinctively compare the sound of a neo band to the 70's it just won't live up. If you're ripping off a sound or band, that is all you're doing - ripping them off. 

Personally i don't listen to much 70's prog or any neo-prog bands. I just don't like it. Whether it is stylistically or just the concept driving the band, i just would rather listen to the music that is more "now" and how is changing shape and actually progressing, in whatever way i like or find interesting. 

Again though, don't get me wrong, i'll blast Godbluff or Tago Mago or whatever I just enjoy more modern music in more ways. 

Just my opinion. Hope i sounded slightly coherent. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 18 2015 at 19:25
If you mean ripping off, that's an easy one.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 18 2015 at 19:19
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 18 2015 at 19:18
Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

No as it would be nothing but imitation and that wears thin very quickly as you yourself have observed. Bands can try pay homage to their heroes  by using mellotrons and the like but it carries a heavy price.

Exactly, although I never felt that when I've listened to Hybris. And that made me wonder. But perhaps that's just me?

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

A bit off the subject but not quite. I wish Wilson would try to pay homage to someone with sensitivity and feelings. But that's asking a lot from him.

LOL Wilson has always struck me as a prog-fanboy rather than a fully-fledged artist with vision and ideas. Maybe he should try writing while drunk? To get out of his comfort zone and not write everything so damn neat and fuzzy proggy prog? Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 18 2015 at 19:12
No as it would be nothing but imitation and that wears thin very quickly as you yourself have observed. Bands can try to pay homage to their heroes by using mellotrons and the like but it carries a heavy price.
 
A bit off the subject but not quite. I wish Wilson would try to pay homage to someone with sensitivity and feelings. But that's asking a lot from him.
 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 18 2015 at 19:07
What I try to say is that there clearly are musicians/bands who try to mimic the 70's early prog atmosphere in their sound, like Steven Wilson, but when doing so, they are unable to do it without sounding like a side-kick act to the real deal itself. Is it possible to create a 70s sound that not only sounds like a side-kick act but also unique, that could stand side-to-side with In The Court of The Crimson King? Or is it all just about trying to pay tribute to that time? As I said, I think Änglagård and Anekdoten are far more near that 70's atmosphere than the aforementioned Steven Wilson, or Opeth's Pale Communion.

I'm not sure whether I can express it more clearly LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 18 2015 at 19:00
Perhaps I don't understand your question. Can you simplify what you're trying to get at? 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 18 2015 at 18:58
Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Wacko

Yep it makes my head spin as well LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 18 2015 at 18:46
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 18 2015 at 18:07
Here's what I mean: there have been many attempts by several "Neo-prog" or other artists to capture the same sort of essence which was included in the early records of King Crimson and Genesis and so on. Yet it has felt to me that such efforts have been extremely hit and miss; they've written songs with a similar song structure, yes, used Mellotron, the Hammond Organ etc, but more often than not the result actually feels like a modernized homage/tribute to the classics rather than a personal and artistic work. And it's actually really easy to understand why, for if the aim, of say Steven Wilson, is to make a record which clearly is heavily influenced by the classics, then the record has also to be on par with said classics, or else the house of cards falls apart. It becomes a hollow copy of the masterpiece it is trying to be. While the musicianship and songwriting of such artists can be extremely acknowledgable, the product at the end fails to deliver something unique, which made the classics so good to begin with. While I love Opeth's Pale Communion, every time I listen to it I get this nagging feeling of "Oh Genesis guitars!", or "Oh KC intro!" or just "oh Goblin, as in GOBLIN" Shocked

What is your take on this? There are bands like Änglagård and Anekdoten that, in my opinion, are able to catch that 70's classic sound a bit better, but I'm not entirely sure. They were mostly active in the 90s, when digitalized audio engineering was still at its baby steps, maybe that had something to do with it?
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