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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 30 2015 at 00:11
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 30 2015 at 06:30
Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

Nick Mason did a great job at Robert Wyatt's Rock Bottom, Gong's Shamal and Steve Hillage's Green.
No, not really. He may be a good "enabler" but a producer he isn't - the production on those albums owes more to the people he was working with. When you look at what he produced with less-able people (Principle Edward's Magic Theatre and The Damned) the results were nowhere near as great.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 30 2015 at 07:58
Alan Parsons must get huge kudos for the production on DSOTM (the original version).  Compared to other albums released around that time (and indeed after that) it's light years ahead, so rich and deep sounding.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 30 2015 at 08:19
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

Nick Mason did a great job at Robert Wyatt's Rock Bottom, Gong's Shamal and Steve Hillage's Green.
No, not really. He may be a good "enabler" but a producer he isn't - the production on those albums owes more to the people he was working with. When you look at what he produced with less-able people (Principle Edward's Magic Theatre and The Damned) the results were nowhere near as great.



Agreed. Their bizarre first choice to produce Music For Pleasure was Syd Barrett and they subsequently described Mason as 'clueless' (but this is like asking Charlie Watts to play guitar when you can't get Keith RichardsConfused)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 30 2015 at 08:20
Pete Henderson was producer on amazing albums as Supetramp's Paris and Breakfast In America, Rush's Grace Under Pressure... And Mr Henderson was also an engineer on quite legendary prog rock albums by Zappa and King Crimson: http://www.allmusic.com/artist/peter-henderson-mn0000272174/credits

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 30 2015 at 08:39
Originally posted by ExittheLemming ExittheLemming wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

Nick Mason did a great job at Robert Wyatt's Rock Bottom, Gong's Shamal and Steve Hillage's Green.
No, not really. He may be a good "enabler" but a producer he isn't - the production on those albums owes more to the people he was working with. When you look at what he produced with less-able people (Principle Edward's Magic Theatre and The Damned) the results were nowhere near as great.



Agreed. Their bizarre first choice to produce Music For Pleasure was Syd Barrett and they subsequently described Mason as 'clueless' (but this is like asking Charlie Watts to play guitar when you can't get Keith RichardsConfused)
The one that always makes me smile is Def Leppard hiring Jim Steinman to produce their follow-up to Pyromania because Mutt Lange had declined their request (due to exhaustion) ... after weeks of non-productive activity (that apparently included Steinman insisting that the studio carpet be changed) someone pointed out that Todd Rundgren produced Bat Out Of Hell not Steinman. Soon he and the band parted ways and Hysteria was eventually produced by Mutt Lange.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 01 2015 at 01:41
Originally posted by Roj Roj wrote:

Alan Parsons must get huge kudos for the production on DSOTM (the original version).  Compared to other albums released around that time (and indeed after that) it's light years ahead, so rich and deep sounding.
 
I've never understood this. DSOTM could have been much better with a 'live' sounding production imo.
 
1973 was the first year when bands started 'compressing' their sound and I hear this right across the board. Albums like Trilogy and Close To The Edge sound much better to me and those were recorded a year earlier. I realise this is entirely subjective though.Smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 01 2015 at 09:42

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I don't know ... I have some serious reservations about all this, and sometimes I look at these people as the "mom and pop" that helped clean up the ideas, so they were visible. However many clothes and jewelry mom and dad might have helped you and done laundry with, in the end, YOU had the ideas and this room, or place, or person, helped realize them.

I find this specially true in the German Cosmic/Kosmiche scene, when the idea was to create a feeling and explore it ... "get into the vibes of the music" ... and it succeeded, even if some folks do not seem to appreciate it, and consider it poor music, and what not. It wasn't about the notes! It was about the extension of the feeling, like you would not want to do that with your significant other.

It's a weird thing to say ... but the 20th century was about "individuality", and then we think that Miles Davis was not independent, and neither was Stravinsky, Picasso, Dali, Bartok ... and so forth ... and in this case YES, GENESIS, ELP, AMON DUUL 2, CAN and so many others, that I sincerely believe had a much more appreciation for their art, than just a song for the radio top ten! This was about them, not their producer, even though many of them tried to get into the act and make their name famous as well, since they were also getting their percentage, the same as the members of any band!

I think that the next "biggie" will not be about the producer .. it will be about the artist, and many record companies and people will immediately try to side with them to get a piece of the action! But it will be more likely, as has been the case in almost all of these folks listed, that they will bring something new with them ... and the producer will not exactly be a household name.

Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 01 2015 at 10:14
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

Nick Mason did a great job at Robert Wyatt's Rock Bottom, Gong's Shamal and Steve Hillage's Green.

No, not really. He may be a good "enabler" but a producer he isn't - the production on those albums owes more to the people he was working with. When you look at what he produced with less-able people (Principle Edward's Magic Theatre and The Damned) the results were nowhere near as great.


The fact that Mason produced Wyatt's Rock Bottom AND Gong's Shamal qualifies his "great producer" status to the hilt. Thanks, Svetonio, for mentioning it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 01 2015 at 10:31
Originally posted by Rednight Rednight wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

Nick Mason did a great job at Robert Wyatt's Rock Bottom, Gong's Shamal and Steve Hillage's Green.

No, not really. He may be a good "enabler" but a producer he isn't - the production on those albums owes more to the people he was working with. When you look at what he produced with less-able people (Principle Edward's Magic Theatre and The Damned) the results were nowhere near as great.


The fact that Mason produced Wyatt's Rock Bottom AND Gong's Shamal qualifies his "great producer" status to the hilt. Thanks, Svetonio, for mentioning it.
No, not really. They are great, well produced albums, but that is not because he was credited as being the producer - it is a reflection of the artists and engineers involved, not of Mason's skill. None of these artists used Mason for their follow-up albums or any album since - that speaks volumes does it not?
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