a modern classic prog album

The Dark Elf wrote: Svetonio wrote: An example of an insant classic  album in progressive fusion genre; that's a debut album released, at 20 April 2015 at MoonJune Records, by Barcelona's duo called Xadu, i.e. Xavi Reja (already in Prog Archives due to my suggestion) on drums and Dušan Jevtović on guitar     If by "classic" you mean two unemployed college kids in their mom's living room noodling around with the foot pedals and snares they got for Christmas, then yeah, this is certainly a classic.

Leonardo Pavkovic's MoonJune Records today is what Manfred Eicher's ECM was in the second half 70s and especially in 80s. Not in that specific style and the atmosphere, but in the open-mindedness and producing great albums of virtually unknow artists with fresh ideas, and yet pretty uncommercial at first listen. Almost all ECM eighties albums were 'instant classic' albums in a short time, and now they are 'real classics' without a question.

Edited by Svetonio - May 07 2015 at 06:04

Besides the foolish construction "Instant Classic" witch is totaly absurd, the hole idear of classic albums i very subjective. Is Close to the Edge a classic album ?, to those people who like Yes - sure, to most people who like prog - ya, but if you hit the street and stop people, ask them if  "Close to the Edge" is a classic rock album, im sure you will most often get a "what".      

Edited by tamijo - May 07 2015 at 05:14

Yes but funny enoug, i was more refering to your post just above mine:

Edited by tamijo - May 07 2015 at 05:42

tamijo wrote: Yes but funny enoug, i was more refering to your post just above mine: Dean :"1990 was pretty much the nadir of Progressive Rock's popularity so it is unlikely that anyone at that time would have called it a classic album, in fact Prog was so unpopular that few, if any, Prog albums would have been regarded as classic albums " and not to the intension in the OP's post.   As i said as a prog album, Close..... is a classic, but not to the general rock audience not in 1990 and not today. Would you disagree that it was a classic in 1990 to a prog audience ?

Yes, agree, some prog albums have classic status, even outside prog circles, guess you could say the same about Aqualung, In the Court, and even some Zappa albums.

Dean wrote: Padraic wrote: I first bought and listened to Close to the Edge around 1990.  Was it a classic album when I first acquired it? This raises an interesting point. 1990 was pretty much the nadir of Progressive Rock's popularity so it is unlikely that anyone at that time would have called it a classic album, in fact Prog was so unpopular that few, if any, Prog albums would have been regarded as classic albums in the same breath as Led Zepp IV or Fleetwood Mac's Rumours. Back then Progressive Rock really was a dirty word, as Wakeman once joked - old Yes albums were sold under the counter in brown-paper bags to avoid embarrassment.  70s artists who had survived the 80s (Yes, Genesis, Crimson, Floyd, Rush) did so by not being Prog and their earlier back-catalogues were kinda overlooked or ignored. Floyd got a free-pass for Dark Side and The Wall because they were not seen as being Progressive Rock albums per se due to their wider general appeal ... something that struck me as strange when I first de-lurked on the PA forum was how many people still regarded Floyd as not a Prog band on the strength of these albums alone but accepted Genesis and Rush (and to some extent Yes) despite their later success as 'mainstream' bands. Some Prog albums may have been seen as classic albums between the mid 70s and mid 80s but I don't recall that they were. Highly regarded in their own time certainly but probably not viewed as classics.

For whatever it's worth, at that time and in my neck of the woods, it was fairly close to what you describe.  I first discovered Yes via a random double CD my father had acquired that was basically an Atlantic Records anniversary compilation; it happened to have "Heart of the Sunrise" on it and the rest was history.  Classic rock radio would often play "I've Seen All Good People" and "Roundabout", but I can't remember much else.  Similarly "Lucky Man" was all you'd get from ELP.  The term "prog rock" was absolutely never, ever bandied about regarding Floyd, for which Dark Side (Time, Money), The Wall (Another Brick, Hey You, etc.), and some of Wish You Were Here were played heavily.  I had no idea until later in the decade that Genesis had a prog rock period for which Peter Gabriel was their lead singer; I'm sure it was different in England but I had never heard a 70s Genesis track on FM radio, ever.  Similarly, King Crimson was totally ignored over here and never played.  Rush was mostly limited to early 80s material.  I was fortunate to know a few kids in high school that knew "prog rock" to get me started - young people today are so fortunate to have the internet and this site in particular.

^ Svetonio's reference to 'London Calling' is merely used to illustrate that the term 'instant classic' can be applied to albums (the genre is irrelevant surely).

I can see that Svetonio's posts are sometimes controversial but rubbishing everything he says (just because he is says it) is unfair.





Edited by Green Shield Stamp - May 07 2015 at 17:30

Svetonio wrote: ::all erroneous made-up content removed and ignored::

Dean wrote: Svetonio wrote: ::all erroneous made-up content removed and ignored:: Truth is Svetonio or Pjer or Hose or whatever your real name is, I no longer care what you think. Over the past few weeks you have lost what little credibility you had by revealing your on-screen alter-ego(s) to be untrustworthy, manipulative, deceitful and disingenuous. You may be a lovely chap in real life but here the image you portray with your on-screen personae has become tarnished by your questionable and unapologetic behaviour. Some may find this acceptable and even entertaining, I do not. I have debated, argued and disagreed with a lot of people and with a few rare exceptions most of them have gained my respect for that. I may never agree (or agree to disagree) with the people I discuss topics with, but I respect them more for having that opposing opinion, for listening to what I have to say and for standing up for what they believe to be true. They may not like me very much and may even view me as arrogant and opinionated but that is of no concern to me, I'm not here to make friends or enemies. However, I will give everyone the common courtesy of respecting them as people and I will give due regard to their right to disagree until they give me grounds to question that. Three weeks ago I was publicly admonished for giving sarcastic/parody replies to your posts, I accepted that reprimand and recognised that copying your behaviour even in a satirical manner was as unacceptable. Since then I have tried to refrain from reducing my replies to your level and failed.  The bottom line is, I don't like the person I have to be to respond to you at any level. I apologise to all have been appalled and/or disappointed by my attitude towards the alter-egos "Svetonio" and "Komandant Shamal" - there is no excuse I can make or justification I can give, it is reprehensible. I cannot make promises I know I cannot keep, so all I can say is from this moment on I'll try to be the person I was before he arrived. peace out.

i would say the most modern classics are dream theater's, they broke ground in the prog METAL category. (their 5 or so amazing albums before they sold out)

Edited by lop - May 10 2015 at 13:06