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Poll Question: Which Renaissance track do you prefer?
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    Posted: June 13 2015 at 06:15
Which of these two Renaissance tracks?

Guess Trip...will take it, but here goes nothing.   For me...it's a tough choice, but will go with Day of the Dreamer mainly for the verse after the interlude.  Also because it's snappy and crisp unlike many other Renaissance long tracks; just a short, catchy intro leading onto the vocals.  
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A second line pair of Renaissance songs IMO. 
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Day Of The Dreamer
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Day of the Dreamer

Top 5 song - along with Trip to the Fair. But that one beats it out.


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Well, this poll is doomed with the battle of the albums having commenced but I didn't expect to see Dreamer get a lead even in 5 votes.
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Day of the Dreamer.
Just a shocker coming from the classic lineup, sacrificing nothing but breaking new ground.  It's a shame so many old fans just write off their post Carnegie Hall studio albums.  But at the same time, the album did well sales wise thanks to a UK hit single "Northern Lights".   Something about "A Song for All Seasons" appeals to us prog folkers, with both ClemofNazareth and myself granting it 5 stars.  "Day of the Dreamer" is one, but not the only, reason why.  The way it revisits themes from the sumptuous "Opening Out" is brilliant, and makes them an almost inseparable pair.  And yes, that vocal section after the jamming is beyond beautiful, imptoving upon a similar theme explored in "Ocean Gypsy".  Progress.  And yes I do love "Trip to the Fair".


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I have tried to explore the reason why Ren could break through with SFAS in my review. There is momentum in their music for the first time, esp on Northern Lights and Day of the Dreamer. Finally shedding some of their stateliness, they took their lush sound mainstream. I don't know whether even the band fully understood what they had done differently on this album. On the evidence of the follow up Azure D Or, probably not.
 
Yeah, agree also about the Carnegie Hall syndrome. It isn't even their best live album and they have certainly given better shows than that. If anything, Carnegie is sort of timid and not as expressive as the band were in less high profile shows.
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If it's any consolation - when I came across ASFAS (mid-90's) I immediately assumed it was crap, judging by the cover picture. It was a cheap, mint LP and I thought I'd give it a try. Ever so glad I did. FANTASTIC album, in my top 5, if not top 3 of Renaissance albums. Great album .
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Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

I have tried to explore the reason why Ren could break through with SFAS in my review. There is momentum in their music for the first time, esp on Northern Lights and Day of the Dreamer. Finally shedding some of their stateliness, they took their lush sound mainstream. I don't know whether even the band fully understood what they had done differently on this album. On the evidence of the follow up Azure D Or, probably not.
 
Yeah, agree also about the Carnegie Hall syndrome. It isn't even their best live album and they have certainly given better shows than that. If anything, Carnegie is sort of timid and not as expressive as the band were in less high profile shows.

yes as I recall you made some excellent points in that review.  While it's great that they found a whole new, albeit ephemeral and mostly British audience with ASFAS, the lukewarm reception among prog stalwarts remains disappointing, especially given what the prog giants were doing by 1978.  

Azure D'Or adopted the weakest aspects of ASFAS and eschewed its strengths.  To this day I would rather listen to Camera Camera or even Time Line.  

I agree about Carnegie Hall, with the exception of maybe "Can You Understand" and definitely "Ashes are Burning".  Is there a live version of "Ashes" that you would recommend over Carnegie Hall?  It's hard for me to imagine since that one is to me the definitive version. 
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Sound quality is not the best here but barring that, this is the best version I have heard so far.  Tight and crisp unlike the bloated Albert Hall version and an incredible vocal solo like the Chicago 1983  version without being abbreviated and without 80s percussions married clumsily to a 70s track.



For just about every track on Carnegie I could name a better live version from the many concerts they have done.  It does a decent job of compiling pretty good performances of that part of their repertoire which has unfortunately come to represent everything that is Renaissance, but that's about it.

I also did another rewrite of SFAS where I specifically discussed Dreamer and Northern Lights.  Do read if it interests you.
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nice review Roger, except where you mention that it's not a classic  Sleepy
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Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

If it's any consolation - when I came across ASFAS (mid-90's) I immediately assumed it was crap, judging by the cover picture. It was a cheap, mint LP and I thought I'd give it a try. Ever so glad I did. FANTASTIC album, in my top 5, if not top 3 of Renaissance albums. Great album .

glad you took the chance!
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Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

Sound quality is not the best here but barring that, this is the best version I have heard so far.  Tight and crisp unlike the bloated Albert Hall version and an incredible vocal solo like the Chicago 1983  version without being abbreviated and without 80s percussions married clumsily to a 70s ...........


Hmmm, Gavin Harrison - GUILTY !!!!   
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Originally posted by kenethlevine kenethlevine wrote:

nice review Roger, except where you mention that it's not a classic  Sleepy
 

We'll have to agree to disagree on that one then.  There are four short tracks - She's in Love, Back Home, Closer than Yesterday, Kindness in the end - which are decent at best or even fairly mediocre.  That being the case, at least I cannot hold it up as a classic in the way I would Dark Side or Red.
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Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

Sound quality is not the best here but barring that, this is the best version I have heard so far.  Tight and crisp unlike the bloated Albert Hall version and an incredible vocal solo like the Chicago 1983  version without being abbreviated and without 80s percussions married clumsily to a 70s ...........


Hmmm, Gavin Harrison - GUILTY !!!!   
Was it him, though, or was it a band decision to make even their 70s tracks sound like new wave tracks? Because the sound was the same even with the earlier drummer.  Harrison did say he was the only one who could play the parts for Scheherazade in the audition.  Hmmm, dire days for the band I suppose.  
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Points: 15926 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 19 2015 at 22:11
^ Just going on the live in Chicago 1983 DVD I have - Gavin H is the drummer.
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Yeah, none of the concerts from 81-82 made it to any official release but they are up on youtube and the sound is dreadful.
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