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timothy leary
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Posted: June 06 2016 at 10:55 |
Magnum Vaeltaja wrote:
A thread to share any opinions you have on any aspect of the genre that are unconventional or not commonly held. Is there a frequently disliked piece of music that you think is a masterpiece? Do you believe that a certain part of prog history went differently than is often told? How about an artist that you believe should/shouldn't be on this site for odd reasons?
My own example is that my favourite song off of In The Court of The Crimson King is Moonchild.
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Thread hijacked by a discussion on sexism.
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emigre80
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Posted: June 06 2016 at 10:31 |
I do agree it was one person. However, it is a more wide-spread problem if no one else notices it. This is an issue with systemic sexism - one person displays it, but many people pass it over because they don't recognize the problem.
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aglasshouse
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Posted: June 06 2016 at 08:33 |
BaldJean wrote:
aglasshouse wrote:
A single user saying "Bitches love" isn't discouraging anyone in the community. Sure, it is a moronic thing to say (if it's used unironically), but it isn't as sexist as saying "oh you're a woman so you don't know anything about prog!" This is where I think using the term 'sexist' loses it's definite meaning and the actual weight it carries.
That's just what I think.
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being a woman I consider "bitches love..." in conjunction with advice how to get laid as extremely sexist. a post like this reduces me to a mere sex object. what can be more sexist than that?
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I apologize that I worded that poorly. What I'm trying to say is one person saying that does not represent our community as a whole. Are there sexist people on PA? Of course, just like any part of the world! But to say that their feelings represent a majority prejudice is hyperbole at best. I strongly discourage this behavior just like anyone else but also refuse to let them tarnish the name of this site.
Edited by aglasshouse - June 06 2016 at 08:37
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progaardvark
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Posted: June 06 2016 at 07:12 |
Formentera Lady wrote:
and I also like the solo albums of Roger Hodgson. 
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Me too, including the much berated Hai Hai album, though I have yet to hear his Open the Door album.
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progaardvark
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Posted: June 06 2016 at 07:09 |
BaldJean wrote:
this debate actually make me think of Krautrock. Krautrock stood for a certain kind of music, represented by certain artists like Amon Düül 2, Can, Guru Guru or Tangerine Dream (the latter being filed under "Electronic"). it does NOT stand for "prog rock from Germany"). which is why I believe many bands are wrongly filed under the Krautrock moniker. what's more, many of these bands changed their styles frequently (sometimes drastically), which is why I support that it should be possible to assign more than one genre to a band and that genre classifications should be given to albums rather than bands.
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That's a great idea! Blue Effect (aka Modrý Efekt) is a nice example of this.
Edited by progaardvark - June 06 2016 at 07:11
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BaldJean
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Posted: June 06 2016 at 01:03 |
aglasshouse wrote:
A single user saying "Bitches love" isn't discouraging anyone in the community. Sure, it is a moronic thing to say (if it's used unironically), but it isn't as sexist as saying "oh you're a woman so you don't know anything about prog!" This is where I think using the term 'sexist' loses it's definite meaning and the actual weight it carries.
That's just what I think.
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being a woman I consider "bitches love..." in conjunction with advice how to get laid as extremely sexist. a post like this reduces me to a mere sex object. what can be more sexist than that?
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A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta
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aglasshouse
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Posted: June 05 2016 at 20:33 |
A single user saying "Bitches love" isn't discouraging anyone in the community. Sure, it is a moronic thing to say (if it's used unironically), but it isn't as sexist as saying "oh you're a woman so you don't know anything about prog!" This is where I think using the term 'sexist' loses it's definite meaning and the actual weight it carries.
That's just what I think.
Edited by aglasshouse - June 05 2016 at 20:33
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Finnforest
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Posted: June 05 2016 at 19:38 |
Project Nightscape wrote:
Finnforest wrote:
^ My favorite Rush album is the first one. Followed closely by Fly By Night and Caress.
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Sacrilege! I can see making a case for these LPs, though, as more emotionally-engaging than some of their later releases due to the more straightforward lyrical content (well, excepting "By-Tor and the Snow Dog") and the garage band-style production. My personal faves, however, are Moving Pictures and Grace Under Pressure, followed by a non-existent album that contains the best bits from 2112, Permanent Waves, Hemispheres and Farewell to Kings. If I picked the tracklist for that album today, it would include "2112: Overture & The Grand Finale," "Jacob's Ladder," "Cygnus X-1, Book 11: Hemispheres: Prelude, Cygnus & The Sphere," "La Villa Strangiato," and "Xanadu."
My top heresy in this field is probably my complete lack of interest in anything Jethro Tull. I simply find the band's music simultaneously dull and grating. |
Ha ha, no worries, I'd expect to get flack for that opinion. But its where I"m at in life right now. The energy of their first couple albums is just precious to me, pure sustenance when I'm in a down mood...which is fairly often these days. I love Alex (and all of them) in that non-mature, pure kickass frame of mind....unapologetic hard rock. I accept your stated heresy no problem David  ....
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...that moment you realize you like "Mob Rules" better than "Heaven and Hell"
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emigre80
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Posted: June 05 2016 at 18:52 |
Oh, I just double-checked. It took four pages of posts and 5 months before anyone objected.
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emigre80
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Posted: June 05 2016 at 18:47 |
I think that there are some people who are downright sexist, but others who just aren't very sensitive to it. Going back to the post in question (and it's a over a year ago, so I'm not sure how to search for it), but what bothered me was that the post was made (it was about songs to play to increase your chances of getting laid, as I recall, and the poster volunteered a certain song and said "bitches love....") and then many posts followed it without the original poster being called out for it. Had the comment been racist, I'm sure others would have noticed, and objected immediately. As it was "only" sexist, it took three pages before someone - hey, that would be me - pointed it out. So that kind of bothered me. Still does.
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aglasshouse
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Posted: June 05 2016 at 18:24 |
I don't think a certain few smalltime users reflect any ideologies that the site follows. Just like the real world there are a few who are actually sexist, but that's unfortunately how it works. I don't think PA treats women with any less respect than anyone else. Also us being a male-dominated site does not equal an anti-woman mindset, nor does it really "attract" sexists. As I stated before, there are certain people who are sexist but they don't reflect our community and how it treats people in the slightest.
Edited by aglasshouse - June 05 2016 at 18:26
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emigre80
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Posted: June 05 2016 at 17:12 |
I have definitely felt some hostility towards women here, particularly those that speak their mind. Early on in my tenure, I called someone out for referring to women generically as "bitches" and was told by a few people to lighten up. Others, however, rushed to second my objections, so I'm not saying it's all PAers, but this is certainly a male-dominated site, and I think that certain post/posters reflect that.
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Pastmaster
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Posted: June 05 2016 at 15:39 |
BaldJean wrote:
emigre80 wrote:
aglasshouse wrote:
What are the prejudices against women in the prog world? |
Maybe we could make it simpler and discuss what are the prejudices against women on PA. |
I'm curious. what are they?
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On PA I've only seen one guy who made any sexist comments regarding women who like prog, calling them posers or something like that. Besides that, I haven't seen any prejudices against women on PA.
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Project Nightscape
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Posted: June 05 2016 at 15:07 |
Finnforest wrote:
^ My favorite Rush album is the first one. Followed closely by Fly By Night and Caress.
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Sacrilege! I can see making a case for these LPs, though, as more emotionally-engaging than some of their later releases due to the more straightforward lyrical content (well, excepting "By-Tor and the Snow Dog") and the garage band-style production. My personal faves, however, are Moving Pictures and Grace Under Pressure, followed by a non-existent album that contains the best bits from 2112, Permanent Waves, Hemispheres and Farewell to Kings. If I picked the tracklist for that album today, it would include "2112: Overture & The Grand Finale," "Jacob's Ladder," "Cygnus X-1, Book 11: Hemispheres: Prelude, Cygnus & The Sphere," "La Villa Strangiato," and "Xanadu."
My top heresy in this field is probably my complete lack of interest in anything Jethro Tull. I simply find the band's music simultaneously dull and grating.
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timothy leary
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Posted: June 05 2016 at 15:04 |
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BaldJean
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Posted: June 05 2016 at 14:54 |
emigre80 wrote:
aglasshouse wrote:
What are the prejudices against women in the prog world? |
Maybe we could make it simpler and discuss what are the prejudices against women on PA. |
I'm curious. what are they?
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A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta
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emigre80
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Posted: June 05 2016 at 13:56 |
aglasshouse wrote:
What are the prejudices against women in the prog world? |
Maybe we could make it simpler and discuss what are the prejudices against women on PA.
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King Manuel
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Posted: June 05 2016 at 10:09 |
aglasshouse wrote:
- Phish is deserving of eclectic prog status- I don't care for Magma and I strongly dislike ELP - Dave Matthews Band has prog elements - Atom Heart Mother outstrips Echoes in terms of quality - Shine On You Crazy Diamond is undeservingly overrated compared to the rest of WYWH - I hate Robert Fripp with passion (that may not be too controversial), as well as dislike most of KC's work.
A bit harsh, sorry. 
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I can agree with a number of your statements! Especially the last one ;-)
Edited by King Manuel - June 05 2016 at 10:11
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aglasshouse
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Posted: June 05 2016 at 10:06 |
What are the prejudices against women in the prog world?
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ALotOfBottle
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Posted: June 05 2016 at 07:59 |
One more! I always thought of Edgar Broughton Band as prog.
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