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Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

The San-Fran band Quicksilver Messenger Service had the amazing twin-guitar thing down pat years before WA. No-one considers them as Progressive.........just sayin'. Gimme Cippo and Duncan over Turner and Powell.........
Then give me Murray/Smith (Iron Maiden) and there's the 'holy trinity' of brilliant twin-leads
Hmm, Iron Maiden have two guitarists but didn't really do harmony leads. I'm unfamiliar with any Americana you care to bring up (and intend to keep it that way), so you'll have to enlighten me on whether the QMS employed simultaneously harmonised lead solos in the way that WA are accepted to have pioneered, but other Americana bands with two guitarists, such as the Grateful Dead, generally didn't. Most twin-guitarist bands share lead duties with alternating solos and call-and-response solos but true harmony leads are a rare thing. Maybe Micky's favourites, the Allman Bros., employed harmony leads, they seem to be credited with everything else Wink. 
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The San-Fran band Quicksilver Messenger Service had the amazing twin-guitar thing down pat years before WA. No-one considers them as Progressive.........just sayin'. Gimme Cippo and Duncan over Turner and Powell.........
Then give me Murray/Smith (Iron Maiden) and there's the 'holy trinity' of brilliant twin-leads

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Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

Originally posted by infocat infocat wrote:

Don't believe I've ever heard it.


I've heard it several times. Never liked it. Almost feel guilty for saying that, as it seems to be universally loved by every rock fan over the age of 40. I need to find out what the magic is.

The magic of WA ends at Argus for me. With the exception of a song here or there, I just can't get into their music after Argus. 
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Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

Originally posted by infocat infocat wrote:

Don't believe I've ever heard it.


I've heard it several times. Never liked it. Almost feel guilty for saying that, as it seems to be universally loved by every rock fan over the age of 40. I need to find out what the magic is.

I like it a lot. :/
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For me the appeal of WA was the duel guitar of Powell and (Ted) Turner and the lovely harmony leads they perform together so my 'era' ended in 1974.
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From the above 2 comments it seems that you had to have been "there" i.e. the 70s, when the albums were actually released to appreciate them.
The again, WA just may not be everyone's "cup of tea". But they were my "cup of tea".
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Well, I am 54 and I first saw them in '81 - the word 'prog' never crossed my mind...
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Originally posted by BarryGlibb BarryGlibb wrote:

Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

Originally posted by infocat infocat wrote:

Don't believe I've ever heard it.


I've heard it several times. Never liked it. Almost feel guilty for saying that, as it seems to be universally loved by every rock fan over the age of 40. I need to find out what the magic is.


The magic is (obviously) that you have to be over 40!!!!


I'm 48. From what I remember it sounds like fairly middle of the road blues based rock with the ocassional twist and turn. I saw them - or a manifestation of them - at a festival back in 2010 and they seemed to play for about 2 hours. Then Steve Hackett came on and played a blinding set lasting just 30mins. It was all a bit disappointing.
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Originally posted by uduwudu uduwudu wrote:

Of course it's progressive rock. Having two guitars doing the harmonies rather than keyboards or keyboards and guitar defining reasonably complex multi sectioned pieces that are well arranged. That's their distinct band voice. It's as prog rock as say Jethro Tull are from a similar era.

As far as complexity goes, I would put There's The Rub by WA far above Argus. I know that many think There's The Rub is just a great rock album but to me it is far more complex than that...it is also highly innovative, complex, diverse and extremely well produced.
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Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

Originally posted by infocat infocat wrote:

Don't believe I've ever heard it.


I've heard it several times. Never liked it. Almost feel guilty for saying that, as it seems to be universally loved by every rock fan over the age of 40. I need to find out what the magic is.


The magic is (obviously) that you have to be over 40!!!!
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Of course it's progressive rock. Having two guitars doing the harmonies rather than keyboards or keyboards and guitar defining reasonably complex multi sectioned pieces that are well arranged. That's their distinct band voice. It's as prog rock as say Jethro Tull are from a similar era.
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I'd say it's prog, but only by a smidgen. It's the most prog out of Wishbone Ash's, that's for sure.
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Close enough for me, but could have gone the other way
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Points: 38883 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 29 2017 at 13:07
Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

Well, sort of. I think the first 2 albums are more enjoyable and 'Prog' to me.


Pilgrimage did strike me as rather more Prog than Argus (though I haven't heard that album in quite a few years). Ultimately, Wishbone Ash is a borderline Prog band to my ears.
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Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

Originally posted by infocat infocat wrote:

Don't believe I've ever heard it.


I've heard it several times. Never liked it. Almost feel guilty for saying that, as it seems to be universally loved by every rock fan over the age of 40. I need to find out what the magic is.


I'm in that age group and don't love it, but then I wouldn't describe myself as a rock fan. To me it's quite like a heavier version of Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young, but I much prefer CSNY.
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Incredible album. Of course it is prog
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Originally posted by kenethlevine kenethlevine wrote:

Originally posted by beeebon beeebon wrote:

I regard it as a very f**king good album

basically this, but I would say it is close enough for rock and roll...er prog
 
 
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Points: 16130 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 29 2017 at 02:19
Originally posted by infocat infocat wrote:

Don't believe I've ever heard it.


I've heard it several times. Never liked it. Almost feel guilty for saying that, as it seems to be universally loved by every rock fan over the age of 40. I need to find out what the magic is.
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Well, sort of. I think the first 2 albums are more enjoyable and 'Prog' to me.
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