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I've realised that many of my favourite tracks have a lot in common: a complex, repetitive bass line and a wide-ranging or noodly melodic line (I'm not a musicologist so I don't know any better terms). Examples - the bit of Ommadawn with the African drums; the instrumental parts of several Genesis songs like The Cinema Show, In the Cage and Apocalypse in 9/8; Fanfare for the Common Man by ELP; and a couple of non-instrumentals: Sleep Together by Porcupine Tree; Kashmir by Led Zep. I imagine they're tough but fun to play, as the melody and bass lines almost seem to be pulling apart as much as playing together, and I think that that tension is what I love. (That said, I don't like jazz, and that includes the Mahavishnu Orchestra in my book.)

Does that make sense, and does anyone have any similar tracks that you recommend?
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Lots of stuff I've been enjoying lately fits your description. There's something about a tight repetitive rhythm section that soothes my mind and facilitates concentration. I suggest looking into Krautrock and Post-Rock territory.

I can't help but drop this here given your description (although radically different form the examples you mentioned):


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I love that! Simpler but really hypnotic. Thanks!
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Within the classic prog realms and as far as a good basslines is involved, i like the "space groove" of "Talking to the sun" and all songs following on the fourth vinyl side of "Live Herald", from Steve Hillage. This fourth side , while being on a live, are all studio recordings. You can find these songs in cd version on the album "Open". In that area, Gong's You have plenty to please too.  I won't teach to anybody the groove value of Chris Squire of Yes, but if one doesn't know about his first solo album "Fish out of water", there's plenty of it, especially on the two longer pieces, both over ten minutes of musical marvel from a dreamcast of, notably, Bill Bruford, Patrick Moraz and Mel Collins to name a few. 

Taking a chance with jazz rock you may try David Sancious "As i thought" always a favorite this side of Mahavishnu; and i hope you don't deprive yourself of Stanley Clarke "Schooldays".
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This one files under jazz rock, so chances are you may not like it, but I thought of it when I read your description - and it's spec-ta-cu-lar!

 
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That piece from Association PC kicks ass!   Nice…

 

Here’s an exceptional piece from Magma.
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I'm not sure I fully understood what you are looking for, but it seems to me that Set the Controls for the Heart of the Sun (live version) may just be it. There would be some more from early Floyd, like perhaps A Saucerful of Secrets and Remember a Day. I guess some other ELP could work too specially on Pictures at an exhibition, Toccata, The Barbarian. From Yes I can think of Birthright (actually that's from ABWH), Spirit of Survival, and Dreamtime. Then, if you include "Sleep Together", I can't help but think of Opeth's "Closure", specially the live version on Lamentations. And from Dream Theater "The Great Debate" comes to mind too.
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Bo Hansson! His first two albums, Lord of the Rings and Magician's Hat, might be just what you are looking for, even if a bit jazzy at times.
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Originally posted by CosmicVibration CosmicVibration wrote:

That piece from Association PC kicks ass!   Nice…

 

Here’s an exceptional piece from Magma.




As long as Magma is involved, you can't ignore the original version of
Köhntarkösz , featuring Janick Top on bass . In fact all Magma records having both Top or Bernard Paganotti have that big "rumble" sound that would have you nearly swallow your teeth!
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Originally posted by Loftcolour Loftcolour wrote:

I've realised that many of my favourite tracks have a lot in common: a complex, repetitive bass line and a wide-ranging or noodly melodic line (I'm not a musicologist so I don't know any better terms). Examples - the bit of Ommadawn with the African drums; the instrumental parts of several Genesis songs like The Cinema Show, In the Cage and Apocalypse in 9/8; Fanfare for the Common Man by ELP; and a couple of non-instrumentals: Sleep Together by Porcupine Tree; Kashmir by Led Zep. I imagine they're tough but fun to play, as the melody and bass lines almost seem to be pulling apart as much as playing together, and I think that that tension is what I love. (That said, I don't like jazz, and that includes the Mahavishnu Orchestra in my book.)

Does that make sense, and does anyone have any similar tracks that you recommend?


I'm surprised you didn't also mention "Unquiet slumbers for the sleepers" (assuming you know post PG Genesis but still SH)since that seems fit perfectly with what you are asking(imo). That's about all I can think of off the top of my head though. 




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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by Loftcolour Loftcolour wrote:

I've realised that many of my favourite tracks have a lot in common: a complex, repetitive bass line and a wide-ranging or noodly melodic line (I'm not a musicologist so I don't know any better terms). Examples - the bit of Ommadawn with the African drums; the instrumental parts of several Genesis songs like The Cinema Show, In the Cage and Apocalypse in 9/8; Fanfare for the Common Man by ELP; and a couple of non-instrumentals: Sleep Together by Porcupine Tree; Kashmir by Led Zep. I imagine they're tough but fun to play, as the melody and bass lines almost seem to be pulling apart as much as playing together, and I think that that tension is what I love. (That said, I don't like jazz, and that includes the Mahavishnu Orchestra in my book.)

Does that make sense, and does anyone have any similar tracks that you recommend?


I'm surprised you didn't also mention "Unquiet slumbers for the sleepers" (assuming you know post PG Genesis but still SH)since that seems fit perfectly with what you are asking(imo). That's about all I can think of off the top of my head though. 


Nearly all Hackett oeuvre would be a fit then; Spectral Mornings, The Steppes, In Memoriam, Take these pearls to name but a few...
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Thanks bertolino - Ah, I haven't listened to Fish Out of Water for years - great reminder. I'll try Steve Hillage and Gong - a friend raved about them back in 1970-something!  

I'm really really not a jazz-rock fan but... well... okay, I'll try...
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Thank you to everyone - some great suggestions here. Some are just too jazzy for me (I wish I understood music better so I could nail what I like and don't like more exactly) but I promise to listen to everything at least three times. And there's some great stuff - the Neu!, Holderlin and Laurent Pernice are early favourites... and some great reminders. Keep 'em coming!
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Anglagard - Jordrok

Arti E Mestieri - Gravita 9,81

Camel - Rhayader

Death - Cosmic Sea

Dream Theater - The Dance Of Eternity

Emerson Lake & Palmer - Karn Evil 9 2nd Impression

Frank Zappa - Son Of Mr Green Genes

Genesis - After the Ordeal

Gentle Giant - Acquiring the Taste

Greenslade - Pilgrims Progress

Gryphon - Lament /Ethelion

Hackett Steve- Spectral Mornings

Kansas - Magnum Opus (it has a few lyrics though)

King Crimson - Red

Le Orme - Aliante

Mahavishnu Orchestra - Lila's Dance

Pink Floyd - Atom Heart Mother Suite/Interstellar Overdrive

Rush - YYZ

Shylock - Le Quatrième  

Tibet - White Ships And Icebergs

Yezda Urfa - 3, Almost 4, 6 Yea



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Lunar Sea by Camel
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Originally posted by AlanB AlanB wrote:

Lunar Sea by Camel

Ooh! I'm jealous not to have thought of this one; this is THE great Camel song (instrumental actually, apart of these "space control board" talks. But from that point, and keeping in mind the opening post question where bass was mentioned as a dominant factor, it's Rain Dances which should be the pick; with one Richard Sinclair, fresh from Caravan and Hatfield and the North on deck. With the one two punch of First Light  and Metrognome and the lenghty jam of  One of these days... there's plenty of groove in it.
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The new "Spoke of Shadows" and "Herd of Instinct" albums fit the bill.





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