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    Posted: July 26 2018 at 09:49
I am a huge fan of Le Orme actually (recently obtained their whole discography).

I'll check out Ars Nova (I just actually finished the short discography of an American Psychedelic-Prog band named Ars Nova, who started back in the 60's).
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Originally posted by Dellinger Dellinger wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

ELP influenced bands -  a few off the top of my head:

Cairo (just the one album release but its a 'belter')
Le Orme (all good!)
Ars Nova ( The Japanese one not the Italian one , check out Book Of The Dead)
Par Lindh Project (check out Veni Vidi Vici especially)
Mastermind ( I only have their debut but its very good)

Eloy are a great band but its hard to find other bands like them.

Pink Floyd soundalikes are a million a dozen but I do love Dave Kerzner who is very influenced by them (more on the Dave Gilmour side). New World is the best album Pink Floyd never made!

not familiar with Babylon. What is their style?




I have never understood the connection many hear between Le Orme and ELP, besides the trio format. The music doesn't sound in any way similar to me. As for their sound, I find more similarities between ELP and Banco del Mutuo Soccorso.
 

Perhaps I should have mentioned Triumvirat instead (who are also very good) and also Beggars Opera (amazing at times)

None of the Italian bands are that close to ELP that I've heard but if you are a fan of the keyboard being put up front in the sound then Le Orme are for you. If they were just copying ELP then they would not be worth recommending at all. Also Ars Nova are not very like ELP either.

Another good one (but not an ELP copy) are the Dutch band Trace. 



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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dellinger Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 25 2018 at 21:25
Actually, about suggestions and opinions by other people, a few times I have become convinced I would like, or at least I should check out, some album because of negative critics to it... being that was being said as a negative about it were just the kind of things I thought I would like. I don't really remember the examples, though.
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Pedro being Pedro, I'd suggest you just ignore his nonsense like the rest of us. 
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Not to mention, a bad and highly subjective "philosophical" lesson is not a lesson. It is this guy's personal opinion that he wants to push on other people.

I was born in 1956 buddy. I know exactly how it was in the "old days." Guess what, I took suggestions even back then (helps I was heavily involved in music circles). But even then, you could still walk into a music shop and ask some of the blokes around there what they thought of an album (if they had listened to it).

I formulate my own principles, likes, and dislikes based on the music. Not based on who suggests it or how I find it. It makes no fundamental difference whether or not I discover an album in a dumpster behind a store, vs if I am suggested it by a friend.

And if you have no idea what to suggest or don't like a suggestion, then don't hang around threads that are about suggestions. You keep trying to push some philosophical bull this way, and the reality is that you are being illogical. If you don't want to get suggestions, or read suggestions, or think that music should be self discovery, then STOP HANGING AROUND SUGGESTION THREADS.

You aren't everyone. So stop pushing your nonsense on everyone.

And also, btw, instinct is developed by your interactions with society and people as a whole. Not by personal development. Nice try, but read some scientific research.
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Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Originally posted by philipemery philipemery wrote:

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If you have nothing useful to offer, please leave. I would rather listen to music than grouches.

Very sad to see this.

My post was meant to help the listener realize that a personal appreciation for music, or any art, is not something that is quite the same when it comes from someone else's suggestions. In general, the individual formulates their own ideas and principles that they follow.

My thought was, perhaps an old shoe thought/idea, that we could learn from the old days, when we did not have "suggestions" and we went by the cover of the albums, and in some cases by a certain musician that was known to create something different and special.

That, is not to say that today's suggestions are bad, at all. That is to say, that the suggestions given here, are more confusing than helpful ... I find that some of them, are not even close to what my imagination thinks the user is looking for, and I would have no idea what to suggest at that point.

I found out about all of this music, from instinct. And instinct, is not something that anyone can help you or me with. It's something that you have to develop on your own, and sometimes it takes a lifetime, and other times a couple of years ... but its "touch" is magical.

It's really up to the person to make their choice ... but in all honesty, for me, it is too confusing since all of these come from different directions.

Yeah but once you've listened to a certain amount of music, it's not always easy to find bands like that yourself, because your discoveries become more and more obscure, so when you're in a forum like this where people have relatively similar music tastes, it's not a bad idea to ask for suggestions so as to help in a case like that. 

I do also kind of agree that a thread like this isn't really the best place to try to teach philosophical lesson. Maybe you could have posted a separate thread bringing up the topic and asking people if they agree or whatever. It's a fair point, but when you try to teach it on a thread asking for recommendations in a sub-section of the forum dedicated to recommendations, it can come off as condescending, regardless of intention.
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Originally posted by philipemery philipemery wrote:

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If you have nothing useful to offer, please leave. I would rather listen to music than grouches.

Very sad to see this.

My post was meant to help the listener realize that a personal appreciation for music, or any art, is not something that is quite the same when it comes from someone else's suggestions. In general, the individual formulates their own ideas and principles that they follow.

My thought was, perhaps an old shoe thought/idea, that we could learn from the old days, when we did not have "suggestions" and we went by the cover of the albums, and in some cases by a certain musician that was known to create something different and special.

That, is not to say that today's suggestions are bad, at all. That is to say, that the suggestions given here, are more confusing than helpful ... I find that some of them, are not even close to what my imagination thinks the user is looking for, and I would have no idea what to suggest at that point.

I found out about all of this music, from instinct. And instinct, is not something that anyone can help you or me with. It's something that you have to develop on your own, and sometimes it takes a lifetime, and other times a couple of years ... but its "touch" is magical.

It's really up to the person to make their choice ... but in all honesty, for me, it is too confusing since all of these come from different directions.
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Your recommendation was that recommendations are bad... on a thread about recommending music.

And I don't particularly care. I like what I like. If I don't like a recommendation I don't. It doesn't detract from an experience at all. It makes no difference if I discover a band on my own or via a recommendation. If I like the music I like it, regardless of how I discovered them.

Go on and be an illogical party pooper. I'm sure telling people that they are "a listening slave" for taking recommendations gets you tons of friends and makes you really like-able, and doesn't make you come off as a commandeering and stuck up control freak.

If you have nothing useful to offer, please leave. I would rather listen to music than grouches.
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Originally posted by philipemery philipemery wrote:

 
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In short... you posted on a "Recommendations" thread, to tell us you don't like giving recommendations... I feel the most logical course of action (without subverting the point of the thread) would be to not recommend things and just not post about this at all.
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This is so sad and out of it, it's not funny.

My recommendation is that the user give himself/herself time to learn on their own, and that suggestions at that point become influences that sidetrack your own experience.

You are stating that, as if I do not check out some of the recommendations at all, and that is totally unfair ... I simply do not allow them to dominate my tastes and when I check something out. I prefer to have those pieces stand up and want to be counted on their own ... not have you or I prop them up as a valuable listen.

It's so sad ... just about all the suggestions ... it's as if this was just another top ten song that the listener was looking for ... well, I guess if that is what he/she is looking for ... go ahead ... but he/she will likely never learn for themselves what is right for them, or just not it!

Be a listening slave all your life ... that's what "top ten" is about!
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As well as the excellent Weidorje suggestion for Zeuhl I'd check out Eskaton, Shub Niggurath, Eider Stellaire, One Shot, Koenji Hyakkei & Setna
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You might like this one from Pure Reason Revolution

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Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Hi,

I do not like to suggest anything ... to me, part of the excitement of new music, is how it hits you when you discover it the first time, outwith anyone telling you anything. It surprises your ideas and values and thoughts and it excites you to no one, and those discoveries are always the best.

One's suggestion is OK, but you really have to learn for yourself, what it is that you are looking for, and for that to work correctly, you have to experiment with your own thoughts, not someone else's. something attracts you to it, go there and find out what it is, kind of thing, in the arts ... this is its greatest gift to you, and no one can give this to you since it is an internal feeling that is specific to you.


In short... you posted on a "Recommendations" thread, to tell us you don't like giving recommendations... I feel the most logical course of action (without subverting the point of the thread) would be to not recommend things and just not post about this at all.

Also, I prefer recommendations, because I am a lazy person who is perfectly content to listen to Pink Floyd and nothing else. Recommendations are the only reason I explore other music anymore.
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Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Hi,

I do not like to suggest anything ... to me, part of the excitement of new music, is how it hits you when you discover it the first time, outwith anyone telling you anything. It surprises your ideas and values and thoughts and it excites you to no one, and those discoveries are always the best.

One's suggestion is OK, but you really have to learn for yourself, what it is that you are looking for, and for that to work correctly, you have to experiment with your own thoughts, not someone else's. something attracts you to it, go there and find out what it is, kind of thing, in the arts ... this is its greatest gift to you, and no one can give this to you since it is an internal feeling that is specific to you.


Yeah, but taking recommendations doesn't mean you have to like what was suggested. And there's so much music around, that it's always necessary to have something to choose what to check out next... and recommendations are as good an option as any other. Much more likely to find something you like if you are given a good thoughful recommendation than just choosing something new at random.
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Hi,

I do not like to suggest anything ... to me, part of the excitement of new music, is how it hits you when you discover it the first time, outwith anyone telling you anything. It surprises your ideas and values and thoughts and it excites you to no one, and those discoveries are always the best.

One's suggestion is OK, but you really have to learn for yourself, what it is that you are looking for, and for that to work correctly, you have to experiment with your own thoughts, not someone else's. something attracts you to it, go there and find out what it is, kind of thing, in the arts ... this is its greatest gift to you, and no one can give this to you since it is an internal feeling that is specific to you.
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Glad to see Mastermind get some mentions on here. I've mentioned them on here on occasion before and was surprised how so few people seemed to know who they are(let alone actually hearing their music). They were one of the most important prog bands of the 90's but you rarely hear much about them anymore. Anyway, great band. Par Lindh Project and Cairo are good too(especially PLP). I've only heard the first two PLP but they were sort of like ELP meets Dream Theater. Great band. Believe it or not I haven't heard much Le Orme and never owned anything by them. The little I did hear was very good though.They are considered to be the best Italian band behind PFM and Banco though.
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If anyone isn't aware that band Witsend eventually evolved into Syzygy who you also might want to check out.
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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

ELP influenced bands -  a few off the top of my head:

Cairo (just the one album release but its a 'belter')
Le Orme (all good!)
Ars Nova ( The Japanese one not the Italian one , check out Book Of The Dead)
Par Lindh Project (check out Veni Vidi Vici especially)
Mastermind ( I only have their debut but its very good)

Eloy are a great band but its hard to find other bands like them.

Pink Floyd soundalikes are a million a dozen but I do love Dave Kerzner who is very influenced by them (more on the Dave Gilmour side). New World is the best album Pink Floyd never made!

not familiar with Babylon. What is their style?




I have never understood the connection many hear between Le Orme and ELP, besides the trio format. The music doesn't sound in any way similar to me. As for their sound, I find more similarities between ELP and Banco del Mutuo Soccorso.
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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Mastermind ( I only have their debut but its very good)
 

Volume One is their most derivative, or least original, album. I own it and do like it, it's a rocker. I own all of Mastermind's releases.

From III: Tragic Symphony ...one of their finest compositions. This builds to a volcanic intensity and blows its top! Bill Berends' climactic guitar solo is extraordinary. 



From the stupendous Angels of the Apocalypse, where they enlisted the amazing lead vocals of Lisa Bouchelle. Keyboard wizard Jens Johansson is also onboard. 



Their cover of ELP's "The Endless Enigma"!



From Excelsior!, their all-instrumental prog-fusion outing (released the year before Angels) that also features Jens.

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ELP influenced bands -  a few off the top of my head:

Cairo (just the one album release but its a 'belter')
Le Orme (all good!)
Ars Nova ( The Japanese one not the Italian one , check out Book Of The Dead)
Par Lindh Project (check out Veni Vidi Vici especially)
Mastermind ( I only have their debut but its very good)

Eloy are a great band but its hard to find other bands like them.

Pink Floyd soundalikes are a million a dozen but I do love Dave Kerzner who is very influenced by them (more on the Dave Gilmour side). New World is the best album Pink Floyd never made!

not familiar with Babylon. What is their style?


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As for Pink Floyd, I just got to know a band from Mexico called Ekos, which began doing Pink Floyd covers (thus the name). They have done two great albums (in spanish), particularly their secon one "Otra Dimensión". Another band I really want to get into that I understand has some Floyd sound, but haven't really heard so much yet, is SBB, from Poland. And in general polish bands seem to have that sound... there's the obvious one, Riverside (though that one is metal, but with some very nice Floyd sounding atmosphere), and the one I just got into latley, Georgius, with two really wonderful albums. Another one similar to Georgius (though not polish) is Soup, also their last album is wonderful (Remedies). And of course, there's Porcupine Tree... specially the live album "Coma Divine" has some very Floyd sounding moments which you should check out.
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