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Logan ![]() Forum & Site Admin Group ![]() ![]() Site Admin Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC Status: Offline Points: 33149 |
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Those could be really good places to start. I started with Carpe Diem's En regardant passer le temps then Cueille le jour, then I got into Arachnoid, Shylock, Mona Lisa, Ange and Clearlight. For quite a long time French Prog was my very favourite Prog.
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Dopeydoc ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 05 2016 Location: France Status: Offline Points: 1366 |
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Ange. I admire Magma, but their music lacks themes you can remeber.
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Olape ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 28 2013 Location: Chile Status: Offline Points: 2056 |
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Ange +1
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The.Crimson.King ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March 29 2013 Location: WA Status: Offline Points: 4591 |
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French is definitely my favorite non-English prog ![]() I started with Pulsar's Halloween, which has English lyrics which I couldn't understand anyway so I figured why not go for French prog with French lyrics so bought Ange's Par Les Fils de Mandrin. That lead to more Ange and the rest of the Pulsar albums which opened the floodgates for Atoll, Arachnoid, Shylock, Elohim, Halloween, Quadra (with Christian on vox), Versailles, Memoriance, Et Cetera, Oniris, Carpe Diem and more. edit: Oops, how could I forget to mention Pentacle and their excellent La Clef des Songes album produced by Christian ![]() I also wanted to mention that any Ange fans who haven't heard Mona Lisa should love them. The debut album L'escapade is musically wonderful, but a little rough in sound quality/production. After that though, the next 3 (Grimaces, Le Petit Violon... and Avant Qu'll ne Soit Trop Tard) are all excellent production and on par with the first batch of 70's Ange...highly recommended!
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YESESIS ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 26 2017 Location: Maine Status: Offline Points: 2215 |
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I just listened to their Au-delà du délire album, it's actually really good! But then I asked myself, "is it better than MDK?" and the answer of course was no(not that any album is). So vote goes to Magma here. Surprised how good these guys are though. |
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Dellinger ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: June 18 2009 Location: Mexico Status: Offline Points: 12625 |
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This sounds beautiful indeed. It has certainly risen my interest. |
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Kotro ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: August 16 2004 Location: Portugal Status: Offline Points: 2809 |
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Ange, one of my all-time favourites. I really like Magma, but they are not even my favourite Zeuhl band.
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Bigger on the inside.
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Cristi ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Crossover / Prog Metal Teams Joined: July 27 2006 Location: wonderland Status: Offline Points: 41779 |
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why are you surprised? Ange is one of the best French prog bands. Is Au dela du delire better than MDK? Two very different albums and prog subgenres. Better how? Performance? Skill? Songwriting? Both albums deliver the goods. ![]() 70s Ange is a must listen. I even enjoy some of their 80s stuff. More enjoyable (for me) than what some famous Brits did in that time
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AFlowerKingCrimson ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 02 2016 Location: Philly burbs Status: Offline Points: 16583 |
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True story here:
About ten years ago I went to see Return to Forever at an outdoor venue(the opening act for those wondering was Bela Fleck). Anyway, I hear this guy speaking French to someone who is ostensibly his girlfriend on his way in the men's room. I then asked him if was familiar with Magma. His response was something like "of course, I've seen them live too." I said I have also. Then I asked him about Ange. Apparently I may have pronounced their name wrong since he at first didn't seem sure who I was referring to. He then said something like "oh yes, I don't like them too much though." ![]() I'm actually not familiar enough with both bands to vote but unofficially I'll say Magma. The few tracks I've heard by Ange sounded good though but I really don't know them very well(yet).
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Tom Ozric ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: September 03 2005 Location: Olympus Mons Status: Offline Points: 15916 |
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Two of the leading lights of French Prog. Hard choice, though I’ll cast my vote in the direction of Ange, if only for that warbling Viscount organ of Francis.
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The.Crimson.King ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March 29 2013 Location: WA Status: Offline Points: 4591 |
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I don't mean this as a criticism YESESIS, but more something that I realized about myself and prog from your words. I'm guessing you've listened to MDK dozens, maybe hundreds of times while listening to Au Dela Du Delire once before being pleasantly surprised, but deciding it could never compete with Magma. I'm sure if I listened to MDK once for comparison, I'd be pleasantly surprised but convinced there's no way I could ever like it more than any Ange album. I could be right, but I could be wrong and that's what makes prog so great! For me, the number of 5 star prog albums that I didn't like until the 3rd or 7th or 13th listening is pretty large and still surprises me. Some wound up being among my favorite albums (Lizard, Relayer, Still Life, Acquiring the Taste, The Lamb, Benefit, etc) where some never got beyond the level of a connection that never clicked (Scheherazade, Udu Wudu, Hot Rats, Images and Words, etc) and that's what makes prog so unique. There's more to be found on repeated listening compared to most other forms of rock. You hear Johnny B Goode or Jumpin' Jack Flash once and you pretty much got it, where really good prog presents layers and layers to discover/uncover with each listening. So don't give up on Ange so fast my friend. You may never like them more than Magma, but that pleasant surprise you felt on first listening may have planted a seed that will bloom in a few months or maybe a few years to a fully developed case of Ange mania. Au Dela Du Delire indeed
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socrates17 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 12 2014 Location: NJ, USA Status: Offline Points: 436 |
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In my case, I listen to Magma a little bit more. For instance, I listen to MDK a little more than I do Cimitiere, but not much. I watch my Trilogie au Trianon & Mythes Et Legendes discs a little more than the various Ange live discs that I have, but not by much. I'd say that I listen to my favorite King Crimson albums and watch King Crimson videos more than either. But not by much.
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YESESIS ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 26 2017 Location: Maine Status: Offline Points: 2215 |
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Hey man, no you're absolutely right. I've only listened to that album once and listened to MDK LOT'S of times(for a while I was listening to it every day!) Actually the very first time I listened to it I didn't like it, but I started listening to it for meditation and BOY did it click! By the way, Udu Wudu and Hot Rats are both legitimately good albums, I strongly recommend giving them another try. But really good point, sometimes with prog it takes repeated listens(I didn't like Brain Salad Surgery the first time I heard it). So yeah good post and I have not given up on Ange, in fact earlier tonight I listened to Le Cimetière des Arlequins and liked it a lot as well. I'm liking these guys so far, for sure.
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YESESIS ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 26 2017 Location: Maine Status: Offline Points: 2215 |
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Stop it lol. Yeah I was kind of surprised only because I thought that if they were all that good then I would have heard of them by now. But yeah I guess there's a lot of great non-english speaking music that I have yet to discover, Micky is helping me with that also. And I agree both albums definitely deliver the goods, big time. I like both these bands, I just had to make a decision for this poll and have been a fan of Magma for a while now while just starting to get into Ange. |
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The.Crimson.King ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March 29 2013 Location: WA Status: Offline Points: 4591 |
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Cool. Sometimes it's those albums that are the toughest to get into that deliver the goods as time goes on. Cimitiere was my 2nd Ange album and I really love it. I hope you dig into Ange and find lots of great French prog there. I highly recommend starting with those 1st 6 studio albums from Caricatures to Guet Apens. I really like a couple 90's Ange albums too (Les Larmes Du Dalai Lama and Nu), but for me it's those 1st 6 that really bring the magic ![]() I've got over 40 Zappa albums and have given Hot Rats lots of chances over the years, but other than Peaches En Regalia it just hasn't clicked...then again, it's been years since I've given it a spin so I'll give Frank another shot. As far as Udu Wudu, I absolutely love De Futura so haven't given up on Magma just yet ![]() Have you seen this live version before...it's amazing! Edited by The.Crimson.King - November 08 2018 at 20:09 |
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Saperlipopette! ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 20 2010 Location: Tomorrowland Status: Offline Points: 10146 |
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Btw regarding all this discussion about Ange and how they compare with Magma in quality etc... the former band's got two, maybe three genuine progclassics but lost some of their bite and "magic" early on - and has released A LOT of crap. I can easily understand how it wasn't to the taste of the french Magma-fan that AFlowerKingCrimson met. From what I tried I imagine I'd enjoy less than 15% of their total output (with Magma its closer to 90%). Its probably a little like asking a Zappa-fan if he or she knows this other american act: Kansas
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YESESIS ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 26 2017 Location: Maine Status: Offline Points: 2215 |
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Wow, yeah that's really good. Thanks for posting it. And for Ange, first 6 albums huh? I don't know if I'll ever like them as much as Magma.. or Zappa.. Gentle Giant.. but you never know.
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micky ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 02 2005 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 46828 |
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I have lot of time for Ange.. great group.. but let's be honest.. they are NO Magma.
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YESESIS ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 26 2017 Location: Maine Status: Offline Points: 2215 |
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Oh sh*t son! That was ass kicking, I might have to rethink this whole thing now lol. No, Magma's still Magma. Thanks for posting this. Poll is tied now! Some passionate fans on both sides here, should be interesting coming down the stretch.
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micky ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 02 2005 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 46828 |
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^ yeah that was a kick in the pants wasn't it. Love that song and that performance. Ange really is a damn good group and had a some borderline great albums. Still though... Magma is quite simply in a class by itself.
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