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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 22 2018 at 06:34
I'm all for peace, but not in the face of Russian aggression, thats not peace, thats just weakness that will cost a higher price further down the road.
Our current president is spineless when it comes to Putin, if not in cohorts.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 22 2018 at 04:52
I don't believe that any member on this thread in a war monger, including myself, but does a sudden withdrawal from Syria set us up for a bigger conflict to come back to in the future? Just asking.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 22 2018 at 04:32
 I support the President withdrawing troops from Syria. And I'm glad Trump wants to do the same thing in Afghanistan. We’ve been over in Afghanistan for 17 years(almost 2 decades) and it’s time to bring them home. And to be 100% honest, there’s nothing to fight for over there anymore, let the afghans deal with the problem themselves(we need self reliance in the world again). The cost of War. Besides untold number of deaths and millions of injured folks on both sides, America spent SEVEN Trillion dollars in the Middle East since 2000. In 2014 Americans paid a total of 1.37 Trillion dollars in income taxes. That's five years worth of income tax spent on the Middle East since 2000.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 21 2018 at 15:00
And as the very stable genius is clearly short-circuiting at the moment, I wonder if anyone is still there with
sufficient powers to stop him dropping off some nuclerar Christmas or new year presents somewhere.
Just to make a point, you understand. Vent some understandable frustrations.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 21 2018 at 14:37
So, now North Korea ist refusing to denuclearize if the US doesn’t withdraw all troops from South Korea
and Japan. What’s that all about? What could possibly have tempted to come up with such an idea at just
this time? Trump told us that all was well with North Korea after an afternoon over tea and biscuits. All
gone, all done, just a matter oft he right man to take the helm.

Well, as troops are coincidentally being withdrawn from Syria and Afghanistan, might as well go the whole
hog. Sure, why not? What could possibly go wrong?

Let’s take a moment to appreciate all the hard work, thought, and planning that must have gone into all this.
What a triumph for the western world and the Trump Empire, since it was founded by the child emperor‘s
father under the famous sign of the double-cross.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 21 2018 at 11:06
Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:

I don't think trump is consistently any sort of 'ism' or 'ist'.
Any event can push his emotions in unpredictable directions.

I'm sorry but not to label Trump is not wise. He will end being mislabeled as someone noble, like a patriot from patriotism, if people are not careful. Labels matter.

My labels for him would be more in the area of behavior and personality, not any sort of well thought out political views, because I don't think he has any consistent thought out views.
For instance I would label him a narcissist, nihilist or pathological liar.
Labeling Trump with personality disorders are indeed easy but that's not how history will label him. He does have political views. The fact that he feels that a wall is important is due to politics, not his paranoia, no matter how easy it is to call him paranoid. Perhaps you can't fathom his politics simply because you're not a red neck.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 21 2018 at 10:32
I can just imagine future nations' discussions:

"Good news, guys, the Americans are coming to support us.“
„Yay! That’s it, now we can do stuff.“
"Just one thing: you have to be prepared fort them to pack up and go home when they feel like it.“
"You what?“
"Yep, that’s just how the cookie crumbles.“
"But then we’d be f*cked!“
"Yep, pretty much. But look on the bright side: …. nah, I got nothing.“

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 21 2018 at 10:25
Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:

I don't think trump is consistently any sort of 'ism' or 'ist'.
Any event can push his emotions in unpredictable directions.

I'm sorry but not to label Trump is not wise. He will end being mislabeled as someone noble, like a patriot from patriotism, if people are not careful. Labels matter.

My labels for him would be more in the area of behavior and personality, not any sort of well thought out political views, because I don't think he has any consistent thought out views.
For instance I would label him a narcissist, nihilist or pathological liar.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 21 2018 at 09:34
Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:

I don't think trump is consistently any sort of 'ism' or 'ist'.
Any event can push his emotions in unpredictable directions.
I'm sorry but not to label Trump is not wise. He will end being mislabeled as someone noble, like a patriot from patriotism, if people are not careful. Labels matter.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 21 2018 at 09:25
He's just the product of a wealthy environment with no restrictions, a natural empathetic deficiancy, and zero accountability. Very normal, under those circumstances.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 21 2018 at 09:04
I don't think trump is consistently any sort of 'ism' or 'ist'.
Any event can push his emotions in unpredictable directions.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 21 2018 at 08:47
To get to the nitty gritty, Trump's initial claim to '"destroy ISIS" was not a page in Steve Bannon's book of "f**k the World". It always seemed forced to me and what we're seeing now is the real economic and military isolationist that Trump is. Remember, we pay to defend other countries as well as ourselves so that's how the two disciplines are entangled. At least in Trump's mind.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 21 2018 at 08:34
^ an economic isolationist rebelling against globalim Steve... not a military isolationist. Note 'his' military... not 'our' military. It is a but a toy for him.. 

going back to Iran for a second..   not sure how many know of this.. or were ever aware but a fascinating read for those that think Iran would be a quick walkover.. and the double dangers of being overconfident in our technology and our exceptalism...  which is my fear about Trump.. to say nothing of our own Generals.  

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 21 2018 at 07:44
I think it's safe to say that Trump is an isolationist as it's a part of his being a nationalist. Quite simple really.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 21 2018 at 06:39
trump is no dove, he wanted to start something in Venezuela, but the military told him no go.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 21 2018 at 06:14
I'm not really sure what one can categorize Trump.  At times dovish and isolationist..  other times he has that small penis compensation thing going on which again... very nearly got us into a war with N.K.

which of course we would 'win'.. if one terms a win in terms of hundreds of thousands, some estimates obviously top a million dead.  And all needlessly...

what scares me Steve. and should scare everyone is one we have talked about in the past. Iran. See Captain Bonespurs is little different from most Americans..  all he sees and has seen is sterile footage on CNN of our smart wonder weapons chasing some Iraqi asshat and blowing him to smithereens..

it was in his eyes.. in many eyes.. an easy victory.

Iran though.. a completely different ballgame and I don't trust him to recognize the difference. And as has been posted here, and known to all, is the fact that NO SITTING U.S. President has ever lost when running for reelection.  If the sh*t reallly hits the fan.. what better distraction.. the ultimate in fact. Than a war, an easy one haha against a real baddie in the eyes of the electorate. See the situation might seem farfetched.. and in a normal reaslity... it would be. 

the truth though.. is far different.



That has always been the scary part about Trump.. normal rules do not apply to him. Such things as empathy.. forethought... intelligence.. and most importantly... making rational decisions.. not decisions baced upon his gut, instincts, or simply his (and our countries) biggest issue.  His issue with NPD.  No one else really matters in his world.. but himself.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 21 2018 at 05:14
I'm not saying that Mattis is a war monger. Only that Trump is the antithesis of hawks and war mongers. Even worst than a dove, he's an isolationist. And that extends all the way down to his private decision making. And that's anathema to the GOP. 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 21 2018 at 05:12
then there is the other thing going on...

if one was rational and had a brain one knew this already... and if one didn't know this already... well this probably will be lost on them regardless.

so a government shutdown over 5B in wall funding..  can our government .. and more to the point our electorate be that stupid and disfunctional.

For yeah, this shutdown is going to happen not because of that minority that think (haha.. yeah.. I know) 
believe that a mere faction of what it would take (over 250B is what is estimated) to build 'that wall' is that important.  Will it stop illegal immigration.. nope.. ask Europe what walls and fenses do.. it just means they go around them and enter where there are not.  But as those who really think and know the subject know.. does nothing for what is changing the politics and demographics of this country.. for this is what it is really about. It isn't crime.. it is 'white identity poltics'.  It isn't illegal immigration that will makes whites a minority in this country within many of our lifetimes.. it is legal immigration.

Anyhow.. this is just nothing more than the bullsh*t and broken government that supposedly so many hate, yet they continue to prepuate it in their elected governement representatives by doing what they did here.. by forcing Trump and the House to do what has zero chance of ever happening.  Hell in this.. I have a better chance of being a famous porn star than a wall... or likely even a fragment of it .. ever being built.

At least in the Senate they know the poltical reality and acted responsibly on it. There simply are not the votes for it.. so in a childish huff...  the government will suffer a partial shutdown.  And yet whitie and Trump voter will rage about how broken our government is.

makes sense..  just as the last couple of years have...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 21 2018 at 04:43
Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Yes, Mattis, like most Republicans, is a hawk and loves him some war. This decision by Trump is most welcome to me as it might be the straw that turns the old GOP against him. They have sat on their tongues and morals for too long trying to placate the orange tyrant.

there is truth in there Steve... but that is a dangerous game to play.

One can thank Mattis for the likely million plus people that are still alive today for if not for Mattis, if the internal workings we have heard whispers about are true, we might have stumbling into a war with North Korea thanks to Trump's lack of knowledge or experience in political and miltary matters.

And Mattis stopped that


There is a large difference between being a hawk, hell I am Steve, and being a war monger. Miltary strength and the implied willingness to use it has, will, and can stop many a war. For bad guy is out there and is only waiting for weakness (or chaos.. que up Putin and Russia) to make their moves.

Those that have been through war know its costs and don't bring it on lightly. Thus the problem with the Neo-Cons and Bush light. A ideological/political war brought on by a bunch of 'intelletuals' and ideologues with silver spoons up their asses who had no concept of the chaos they were about to unleash in the middle east.. much less the human toll.  

Thus the real danger once Mattis (and Kelly) are gone. Who will be the adults in the room protecting this country from rash unwise or just plain stupid decisions.

be careful in what one is welcoming..  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 21 2018 at 04:29
Originally posted by Tapfret Tapfret wrote:

It looks like he pretty much burned ALL his bridges today.

well not quite all LOL.. other than FAUX news guzzling 35% of the electorate moron..  he will still have their love. But yeah in DC he probably has.. or would have but what is poor Mitch McConnell and Senate Republicans to do? 

Impeach him? or just continue whistling past the graveyard and hoping the next two years pass quickly and without a major national catastrophe.  

and yep...  somewhere in Russia.. Putin and his cabal are smiling..  

this.. what we are seeing now.. is exactly what their campaign was intended to do. Divide, weaken and sow chaos in the heart and soul of their geopolitical enemy.

while 'trump voter' has forgotten that.. make no mistake Putin and Russia in thinking the US and Russia are anything resembling friends and allies.


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