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dougmcauliffe ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: February 23 2019 Location: US Status: Offline Points: 3895 |
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I would like to start a discussion on this album. What are people’s thoughts, is it deserving of its rating? I was unable to find a thread talking about this album before
My personal thoughts: absoloutly. Wobbler is a self admitted retro prog band, they set out with the goal of making classic era esc symphonic prog. I think every track is a masterpiece in its own right, but the peak of the album to me is in the final 3 minutes of foxlight, damn that gives me chills. It’s one of my all time favorite albums certainly, I understand some folks aren’t fans of retro prog but I think you gotta look at it for what it is. Everyone always praises the classic era of prog, I see no reason to get upset when people recreate it. But to me, this time around, they were able to match and even beat several of the classic era classics. So what are your thoughts on the album and the band? I can confidently say after plenty of time with it, it’s my 4th favorite album only beat by: Foxtrot, Court and Moonmadness. Edited by dougmcauliffe - July 14 2019 at 19:18 |
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It's a nice retro album performed by a very good band, it being in the top 25 prog albums of all time is ridiculous, give it 12 to 24 months and it will find its proper level.
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Nice edit micky
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Fischman ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 21 2018 Location: Colorado, USA Status: Offline Points: 1637 |
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Great post. It may not sit quite that high with me, but your logic works fine. Doing the old at a very high level doesn't go out of style. Not everything need be ground breaking to be great. Nothing wrong with someone showing up as a new, Camel, Gentle Giant, King Crimson or Genesis. The music is the music. What if someone heard the more recent band first and heard the early band last? Would which one was original and which was derivative matter? It has zero bearing on how well the music fits into the ear.
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Manuel ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March 09 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 13481 |
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I personally like this album very much. It was quite a surprise, since I had not heard of wobbler before, go figure, and when I saw all the reviews and ratings, I decided to give it a try. Man way I greatly surprised and pleased!!! I loved it form the very first listen, and has remained a pleasure since then. What a great album!
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richardh ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: February 18 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 30203 |
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I think it's much better than their debut Hinterland which seemed to rely too much on Mellotron for my taste. This has much more Hammond and is more dynamic so that pleases me and it sustains my interest. It already has 549 ratings which is higher than the aforementioned Hinterland and also other albums they've released. However compared to other albums in the top 20 that's not even close. You could argue that only albums with at least 1000 ratings should be considered. If you do a filter of the top 100 on this basis then it's makes interesting reading. For instance you get 3 more ELP albums and most people would agree that makes sense!
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I thinks it's a great album. A few months ago, a work colleague asked me what progressive rock is. After considering several albums, I finally settled upon this album as the best answer to the question: "What is progressive rock?" I chose a modern album so that I wouldn't be influenced by nostalgia, and the album would be assessed by the music alone. I chose a symphonic album because I believe that in spite of the breadth of what is considered progressive rock, progressive rock is symphonic at its heart. I chose an album that is fully prog (not prog-lite), yet still fairly accessible. I wanted an album that is dynamic and beautiful, but not too dark or weird. I chose an album that I consider to be perfect from start to end. |
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ExittheLemming ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 19 2007 Location: Penal Colony Status: Offline Points: 11420 |
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A shoo-in for album of the year. That year being....1974
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progmatic ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August 22 2009 Location: Ohio Status: Offline Points: 1785 |
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I'd heard so much about this album that when I finally got it I was prepared to be disappointed I was not. This is truly a masterpiece.
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Hrychu ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 03 2013 Location: poland? Status: Offline Points: 5927 |
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I really don't care about what's in the top 20 and what's not but I must say that I love this album. Especially the song Foxlight.
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dougmcauliffe ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: February 23 2019 Location: US Status: Offline Points: 3895 |
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Interesting, I’m curious where you would put it and how you rate the album? |
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someone_else ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: May 02 2008 Location: Going Bananas Status: Offline Points: 24813 |
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Most albums that are launched into the higher PA rankings with great thrust, thanks to the devout fanboys who are eager to reward these with a five star rating after two or three listens, will descend faster to a more appropriate rating level. But the release of this album is now almost two years ago. I doubt if I will see the day that this album sinks out of the top 100. And why should only albums released in the period from Itchycock to MP (or - later - Hybris) be regarded as prog classics? I think that this widely acclaimed masterpiece may last longer in the higher echelons of the PA rankings than its release year assumes. And what about its successor as AotY that we find just below the top 20 ![]() Edited by someone_else - July 15 2019 at 07:44 |
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miamiscot ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 23 2014 Location: Ohio Status: Offline Points: 3635 |
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An absolute masterpiece. It's not retro anything. Wobbler do Wobbler.
And they're better than your band.
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wiz_d_kidd ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 13 2018 Location: EllicottCityMD Status: Offline Points: 1488 |
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I like it, but I think Rites at Dawn is better. Better compositions, melodies, vocals, mixing, ... , everything.
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Nogbad_The_Bad ![]() Forum & Site Admin Group ![]() ![]() RIO/Avant/Zeuhl & Eclectic Team Joined: March 16 2007 Location: Boston Status: Offline Points: 21567 |
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I'm probably not the right person to ask, if you look at Raffa's thread I only have 22 of the top 100 in my personal top 100 and I was probably being over generous. Having said that its probably a 3.5 to 4 star album which would put it in my top 250. Having it ahead of Hybris, Darwin, Storia Di Un Minuto, Aqualung, In A Glass House, Hot Rats, Lamb, Meddle, Ommadawn is just ridiculous to my mind. Just had another listen and I still say it's a nice retro album by a good band. Nothing more or less. |
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dr wu23 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August 22 2010 Location: Indiana Status: Offline Points: 20697 |
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I'm a fan of Wobbler...having said that I like Rites At Dawn better than Silence....though Silence is more complex in parts and more ambitious...I like the 'songs' and melody better on Rites.
I'm really not sure Silence deserves a 4.43 rating but I'm not going to get into a discussion of ratings since we all know how those often turn out. ![]() Edited by dr wu23 - July 15 2019 at 10:27 |
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Hrychu ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 03 2013 Location: poland? Status: Offline Points: 5927 |
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IMO Rites is better as a whole but Foxlight (actually the final part that goes "even if the pieces change" to be precise) to me is the best song Wobbler's ever made. Also it's the greates use of a Kazoo in prog rock to this day.
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I like Rites at Dawn better--it has always had more heart and soul to me--and far more haunting melodies--but it is often too imitative of Yes' Close to the Edge. From Silence to Somewhere is so polished, so flawless, so captivating of the spirit of the 1970s' symphonic giants, it's hard to argue against it belonging among the "greatest prog albums" of all-time. But, it's missing something . . . "friendly"--missing something that makes me excited to return for another visit. I think it masterful, even flawless, but I rarely find myself revisiting it now two years later (occasionally "Foxlight") while I go back to Rites at Dawn often! . . . Personal preference. The mentioned 2018 "masterpiece" from former Änglagård members, All Traps on Earth's A Drop of Light , is, however, a completely different story. This album awes me. Like hearing Magma or Relayer or Mahavishnu for the first time. It takes my breath away. Literally. It stuns, shocks, and awes me. And there is so much there! So much thought and creativity, so much space and texture, so much egoless virtuosity. I said it when I first heard it, when I reviewed, as I've advocated for it: A Drop of Light may be ... the best ... progressive rock album ... I've ever heard!
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