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Originally posted by BrufordFreak BrufordFreak wrote:

Originally posted by wiz_d_kidd wiz_d_kidd wrote:

I like it, but I think Rites at Dawn is better. Better compositions, melodies, vocals, mixing, ... , everything.

 I like Rites at Dawn better--it has always had more heart and soul to me--and far more haunting melodies--but it is often too imitative of Yes' Close to the Edge. From Silence to Somewhere is so polished, so flawless, so captivating of the spirit of the 1970s' symphonic giants, it's hard to argue against it belonging among the "greatest prog albums" of all-time. But, it's missing something . . . "friendly"--missing something that makes me excited to return for another visit. I think it masterful, even flawless, but I rarely find myself revisiting it now two years later (occasionally "Foxlight") while I go back to Rites at Dawn often! . . . Personal preference.

The mentioned 2018 "masterpiece" from former Änglagård members, All Traps on Earth's A Drop of Light , is, however, a completely different story. This album awes me. Like hearing Magma or Relayer or Mahavishnu for the first time. It takes my breath away. Literally. It stuns, shocks, and awes me. And there is so much there! So much thought and creativity, so much space and texture, so much egoless virtuosity. I said it when I first heard it, when I reviewed, as I've advocated for it:  A Drop of Light   may be ... the best ... progressive rock album ... I've ever heard!

Wow!!! That's high praise. I liked ATOE a lot but Wobbler has my heart. I love all four albums. Immensely. 
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I would rate it a solid 4. Several albums came out that year that I like better.  Bubblemath's - Edit Peptide, Nova Collective, Discipline - Captives of the Wine Dark Sea, and Antoine Fafard's - Proto Mundi.
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I think it's a decent album.  Certainly a solid 4 stars.  The opening track is superb, but the rest of the album doesn't quite hit the same highs for me.
 
Is it overrated?  Well, I guess I think it is.
 
Sure it's a good album, but one of the top 25 prog rock albums of all time?  You've got to be kidding!
 
The idea that it's better than "Relayer", better than "Aqualung", better than "In a Glass House", or better than "Octopus", and I could go on, is just laughable.
 
There's personal taste, of course, but the problem, IMO, is that PA places insufficient weight on the number of reviews an album has, so that an album that has a small number of rave reviews by a handful of Collabs can rocket to the top of the ratings, whilst an album with hundreds of reviews languishes further down the rankings.
 
It's totally obvious that there are albums that should be ranked much higher on PA.
 
Quite how an all time classic of the genre such as Caravan's "In the Land of Grey and Pink" can rank all the way down in 54th place, whilst "From Silence to Somewhere" is up in 19th place is beyond my comprehension. 
 
I don't think that's personal taste.  I recall James Baldwin commenting that "In the Land of Grey and Pink" ranks as a top ten album on the Italian equivalent of PA. 
 
That it ranks so low on PA undermines the credibility of PA in my opinion.
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I mean wow. Do you guys really care that much about some frigging list? Come on.

I mean wow. Do you guys really care that much about some frigging list? Come on. It's all statistics based. No such list will ever be credible cause people will always have different voting criteria. No matter what. Also, why do you even need a list that tells you what's the best prog album ever? You can't judge it by yourself? Reviews are a good thing cause you can see why someone does or doesn't recommend/like something. But number rankings? They don't tell you jack sh*t. They're just worthless numbers.

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I've been following this thread despite the fact I don't own this album and have only listened to a little bit of it on youtube(I would rather wait and get the album). Anyway, for those who think it's over rated or doesn't deserve to be in the top 20 I have a question for you. Are there any modern albums(I'll use the term modern loosely to mean any album after the classic era)that are in the same general style that you like better(or think is better)?
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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

I've been following this thread despite the fact I don't own this album and have only listened to a little bit of it on youtube(I would rather wait and get the album). Anyway, for those who think it's over rated or doesn't deserve to be in the top 20 I have a question for you. Are there any modern albums(I'll use the term modern loosely to mean any album after the classic era)that are in the same general style that you like better(or think is better)?
 

The Banks Of Eden - The Flower Kings
The Inconsolable Secret - Glass Hammer
Veni Vidi Vici - Par Lindh Project
Heliotians - Deluge Grander
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Originally posted by Chaser Chaser wrote:

I think it's a decent album.  Certainly a solid 4 stars.  The opening track is superb, but the rest of the album doesn't quite hit the same highs for me.
 
Is it overrated?  Well, I guess I think it is.
 
Sure it's a good album, but one of the top 25 prog rock albums of all time?  You've got to be kidding!
 
The idea that it's better than "Relayer", better than "Aqualung", better than "In a Glass House", or better than "Octopus", and I could go on, is just laughable.
 
There's personal taste, of course, but the problem, IMO, is that PA places insufficient weight on the number of reviews an album has, so that an album that has a small number of rave reviews by a handful of Collabs can rocket to the top of the ratings, whilst an album with hundreds of reviews languishes further down the rankings.
 
It's totally obvious that there are albums that should be ranked much higher on PA.
 
Quite how an all time classic of the genre such as Caravan's "In the Land of Grey and Pink" can rank all the way down in 54th place, whilst "From Silence to Somewhere" is up in 19th place is beyond my comprehension. 
 
I don't think that's personal taste.  I recall James Baldwin commenting that "In the Land of Grey and Pink" ranks as a top ten album on the Italian equivalent of PA. 
 
That it ranks so low on PA undermines the credibility of PA in my opinion.
 

I don't agree. Even when you filter the ratings to minimum of 1000 then its still only comes in at No 48. This is a global site and as far as I know no one has an axe to grind with Caravan as they do with say ELP ( where is Brain Salad Surgery in the supposed top 100??)

My feeling is that the ratings are about right once you get to 1000 ratings. Wobbler only have about half that so the 'fanboys' have had their say. Now the next 500 will be more critical I suggest and this point has already been made by others.
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Originally posted by ExittheLemming ExittheLemming wrote:

A shoo-in for album of the year. That year being....1974

*Laughs in Yes Relayer* LOL Cool

In all honesty, great album! 

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Would From Silence To Somewhere have been better if it was released in the early 70's?
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Originally posted by DigitalMan2112 DigitalMan2112 wrote:

Would From Silence To Somewhere have been better if it was released in the early 70's?

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It would barely have been noticed in the early 70's. There was too much good music around and this album would hardly have made the cut.
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In my personal evaluation, From Silence To Somewhere have just reached four stars, so, at the moment it's surely not in my top 100.


But my knowledge of contemporary prog is not high, and I need time to be sure of my sentence.


The arrangement of that album is very elaborated, very sophysticated and the performance of the musicians is superb... but it lacks immediacy, pure melodic inspiration in many passages and sometimes I've got the impression that the hyper-production fills the fall of insipiration.

But, repeat, I need time to be sure. Maybe I'll change my mind.


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Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:

In my personal evaluation, From Silence To Somewhere have just reached four stars, so, at the moment it's surely not in my top 100.


But my knowledge of contemporary prog is not high, and I need time to be sure of my sentence.


The arrangement of that album is very elaborated, very sophysticated and the performance of the musicians is superb... but it lacks immediacy, pure melodic inspiration in many passages and sometimes I've got the impression that the hyper-production fills the fall of insipiration.

But, repeat, I need time to be sure. Maybe I'll change my mind.
 

sounds like a review of Tales From Topographic OceansWink
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In my post 2000 top 10.  My entire family likes it.  
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Originally posted by Chaser Chaser wrote:



It would barely have been noticed in the early 70's. There was too much good music around and this album would hardly have made the cut.
 

I agree. The biggest prob for me is Andreas' vocals. An acquired taste for sure. 
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Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

Originally posted by Chaser Chaser wrote:



It would barely have been noticed in the early 70's. There was too much good music around and this album would hardly have made the cut.
 

I agree. The biggest prob for me is Andreas' vocals. An acquired taste for sure. 


For me the vocals are a highlight, especially on the title track. I also don’t agree with the original quote
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Originally posted by dougmcauliffe dougmcauliffe wrote:

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For me the vocals are a highlight, especially on the title track. I also don’t agree with the original quote[/QUOTE]

It's ok if we disagree. I also don't agree with your assessment of Thick as a Brick. No worries.
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Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

Originally posted by dougmcauliffe dougmcauliffe wrote:



For me the vocals are a highlight, especially on the title track. I also don’t agree with the original quote


It's ok if we disagree. I also don't agree with your assessment of Thick as a Brick. No worries.[/QUOTE]

I actually think a lot of the replies there’s have somewhat opened my eyes about the album, when I listen, I recognize the music is great but I also can’t say it does as much for me as some of my other favorite artists. It’s very borderline 4/5 stars for me, but probably moreso a strong 4
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Having read this thread, it's an album I will certainly try to find now!

I am a big IQ fan, and would place several of their later albums in any list, but certainly Frequency and The Road Of Bones would beat many of the top albums on this site, for me.....
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As a fan of all their albums, I would rate this 3rd. The title track is pretty good but the rest is pretty uninspiring, and what was the point of the 2nd track? 'Afterglow' was their best album. This is simply my opinion.
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As a fan of all their albums, I would rate this 3rd. The title track is pretty good but the rest is pretty uninspiring, and what was the point of the 2nd track? 'Afterglow' was their best album. This is simply my opinion.


Afterglow is pretty good. In taberna is such a great song, but I think FSTS is def their masterpiece. For some reason I can’t get into rites at dawn though. Haven’t listened to the other one.
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