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    Posted: October 17 2019 at 13:54
Dog Fashion Disco's first album, Erotic Massage, (NOT the re-recording) is very good. I say not the re-recording because, while it does have enhanced sound quality, I think it sounds distinctly more straight metal or nu-metal rather than progressive. Which isn't bad, necessarily; I like the remasters and their later albums. For example, I think Adultery is an amazing film-noir/metal/jazz concept album with a not-too-bad country song thrown in for good measure. However, between 1997 and 2017 (the date of the Erotic Massage re-recording) the feel of the band changed a lot.

I will also note that the quality of the songs on the original CDs are much better than the quality I see on youtube, so the re-recording does not sound that much better. (It's unfortunate that the original CDs are so rare now and that the best way to support the band is to buy the re-recordings.) I have noticed that the bass lines can sound very proggy and interesting on the earlier albums with Stephen Mears on bass, something which either is lost in the mix later or is a difference in the new bassist's style. The saxophonists who play on the original recordings also wrote some very nice sections. I think overall the first two albums are willing to tread into much softer and more tender musical landscapes than their re-recordings or DFD's later work.

Listen to the original version of Communion

It starts dark and moody, sounding a bit like Opeth. Then it transitions into a funky, up beat bass line, their signature horns and an almost gospel-y sounding vocal section. The Opeth feeling is compounded later when a very nice sounding flute makes its entrance. The re-recording has spoken-sounding vocals going over the flute, the drums are amplified and the toms sound like they are being pounded on instead of played dynamically, which results in the originally beautiful instrumental section sounding muddy and half-way aggressive, despite the higher quality recording.

Another song which changes a lot from the original version is Hypnotic Techno Underwater Encounter (titled Hypnotic Encounter on the re-recording).

The techno elements in the re-recording, instead of sounding spacey and weird and interesting, sound more straight metal-y and blend with the rest of the sound better. This might make it more accessible and cohesive/same-sounding (not necessarily bad), but I think something is lost in translation. Above is the original recording.

The rest of the album is almost equally as good, from the slower and emotional Wait, to the more typical later Dog Fashion Disco nu-metaly + horns style in Christian Dance Song, G. Eye Joe, and A Corpse is a Corpse (though the original also has a duration of 7:08 with a very experimental sounding ending section, which is cut entirely from the remaster to reach a duration of 4:53.), to Lost in Anacostia, which is upbeat and cheery, sung in a reggae style with tongue-in-cheek lyrics ("So you say you want to kick my ass up and down this block / and I say oh no no").


Bonus: Experiments in Alchemy (the original 1998 recordings) is also very good. The Satanic Cowboy and En la Noche both channel Mr. Bungle very well while retaining their own style. The second sounds like The Doors or something with Mike Patton on vocals. Pogo the Clown is a disturbing but well written, I don't know what style it is, but it sounds like a.... speakeasy or something to me. Siddhis, Primate, Albino Rhino, and 9-5 at the Morgue are very nice sounding prog metal pieces.


So if you ever see the original 1997 and 1998 recordings of these two albums floating around, I definitely recommend you pick them up. Or if you buy the re-recordings, do yourself a favor and acquire the originals, too.


Edited by Kaivoks - October 17 2019 at 14:00
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote richardh Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 17 2019 at 22:51
Only a borderline prog band at most so should not be in this forum but I do like them and have a few albums in CD format and for streaming . The track Vertigo Motel is an absolute hoot and was my starting point with them. Fun!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Kaivoks Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 18 2019 at 10:14
Thanks for the comment, Richard! I’m not sure I understand the idea that a BAND can be prog. It seems more that an ALBUM or SONG can be prog. Did you listen to the songs I posted? I think they are more than borderline, which is why I recommended the first two albums (original recordings) and not the later albums (or re-recordings).

It seems a bit misguided to deem a band prog or not and then label ALL of their albums as prog or not regardless of the qualities the individual songs and albums embody. A band can release a couple prog albums and then switch to more standard material; there’s no logical contradiction in that.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote richardh Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 19 2019 at 00:57
This is true of course but the site has to make a decision whether to either include all of a bands catalogue or nothing at all. That's how it's always been done here. One of the criteria for a bands inclusion is whether there is a whole album that can be deemed 'prog' . I think there is an argument that DFD are not so removed from say The Cardiacs who are included on the site. For me I need to listen to the band more to have a properly informed opinion and it would be nice if others on the site would weigh in with a comment or two.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Kaivoks Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 19 2019 at 07:33
Sure, I see your point, and I’m not going to try to change the site even though I think the “whole discography” approach means we’ll miss out on some good stuff. In any case, I was just recommending these early recordings to users, not recommending DFD for inclusion on PA (though I do think they belong on the main site).
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote richardh Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 20 2019 at 23:49
Yes but the thread is posted in the prog forum. What is prog is dictated by what is included in the site's database and this doesn't even include 'Prog related'. The thread belongs in General Music Discussions.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Kaivoks Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 22 2019 at 17:17
Ah, I see. I didn't realize how strict that rule was. Well, I think it's rather lame that one can't recommend prog songs in the prog lounge just because the band as a whole isn't prog enough. It kind of stifles discussion if only what songs are implicitly deemed prog by the overlords is acceptable (can I recommend some of Styx pop songs because they're on here?). It's not like I'm in here recommending the next Taylor Swift album or something...

If a mod wants to move it to abide by the forum rules, I understand; it probably won't generate any interesting discussion anyway if the primary conversation is just going to be about whether or not we should even be talking about it in the first place!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote richardh Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 23 2019 at 00:09
That's PA for you although normally Admin are all over this and it would be moved. Personally I'm not bothered and think it should be okay to post in this forum if the band are not offically 'Prog'. My only concern is that no one else is posting an opinion about the music and we just seem to be having a very limited discussion. Anyway I will try and listen to the early albums as you suggest. This is a good band and a good recommendation.
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