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Icarium
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Posted: October 29 2019 at 16:15 |
I borrow some of the enthusiasme of these "overplayd" songs from two fellows that havent "overheard" them I love there insight in lyrics, and newb enthusiasme to aspects of the songs seasoned prog ears (perhaps) does not hear anymore
they sadly does not have a video about "Tom Sawyer" though they got plenty of Rush songs overall... so i borrow the enthusiasme from two others so words as taste, flavour, idea, form and
content, have an aesthetic and sociological context/intent, two words/terms i
want to voice is the difference between liking and appreciating the
distinction i will try to use in the future is from Rick Beato, in how he talks
about production values whether it is about 00s pop song or 70s prog songs. The
distinction between appreciating production technique vs liking a band (fan). Liking
is about being a fan of the subject and appreciation is about respecting
various parts of the subject one intersects, one can appreciate how a technique
is used without liking the band one intersects, or well one can do both but in
general there is a distinction.
I want to present two songs which most here knows
about which is Tom Sawyer (1981) and
Carry On Wayward Son (1976), both to me are such good examples of
aspects which shows how both production is a key to songs, how composition is
key but also how both are sort of archetypical showcases of evolution of
"heavy prog", though Kansas being symph prog, Carry on Wayward Son,
is in its own right a heavy prog song, to my ears. But that is not the case of
the discussion, just a detail. Both songs share some similarity’s, but I will
also make it clear, i also regard Rush and Kansas as two wildly different
animals/beasts in terms of the power which both bands individually have. Though
they have some shallow similarity’s, but I won’t get into too much details. They
both show equal strength and power in both these songs, which makes the songs
sounds in some way similar. Despite that, both songs judged solely by themselves
towards each other share some stark similarities.
Key similarities,
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Fischman
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Oh, man! I adamantly refuse to choose here. Two absolutely perfect songs. No way to separate the two. Period.
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Icarium
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Here is Vin and Sori reaction to Carry on Wayward Son to make a comparison between two reactionary youtube films
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AFlowerKingCrimson
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I like both equally. Which one is more interesting is a more difficult question for me to answer. I don't really know what Tom Sawyer is about(I'm pretty sure it's not about the Mark Twain novel. Lol.).
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Lewian
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Carry On Wayward Son is a great song indeed. Rush on the other hand are totally lost on me, at least when they start singing.
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Barbu
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Tough one..
Tom Sawyer |
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dougmcauliffe
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I’ve grown a bit sick of carry on after all these years but I can’t deny it’s a great song. No vote.
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DarkTower
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Both songs are great, but I have to go with Rush.
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twosteves
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not a fan of Kansas---american prog is not my thing--but love some of Rush's in your face stadium rock.
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Enchant X
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Carry On Wayward son is not my favorite Kansas song nor is Tom Sawyer from rush but still they are both excellent in what they achieve, both strong openers for classic albums. I voted Kansas Carry on wayward son
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Man With Hat
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Definitely Kansas
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Dig me...But don't...Bury me
I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
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richardh
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I have never get bored with either even if they are 'overplayed'. As studio pieces they cannot be improved. They are very much ensemble efforts and no one is taking all the plaudits. That said you have the amazingly talented Steve Walsh not only providing those great vocals but also one of the best organ breaks ever. I remember listening to Tom Sawyer on the radio and it was an absolute joy to hear something with some real substance. I think the lyrics are similar to Subdivisions with a sense of being outside of everything looking in. Anyway a vote for Kansas to even up things.
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Logan
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Question: What are two reasons for me not to listen to classic rock radio?
Answer: "Tom Sawyer" and "Carry On Wayward Son". I got really sick of both, to be honest. That said; good match-up. |
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Just a music fan passing through trying to fill some void. Various music I am into now: a youtube playlist
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Psychedelic Paul
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Kansas for me, mainly because I have six Kansas albums and only one Rush album.
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Manuel
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Carry on Wayward Son get my vote, though I also like the Rush option.
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Cristi
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aren't we supposed to judge the two songs and choose? your argument is irrelevant. Edited by Cristi - October 31 2019 at 01:43 |
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Braka1
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Though i loved both these songs when they first came out, I'd say Tom Sawyer has aged much better. Both songs concern some sort of epic central character - the Kansas song addressed to him, the Rush one about him - but Rush comes across as more lyrically mature and conceptually sophisticated. The song form and production of 'Tom Sawyer' sounds like something quite new and original. The Kansas song sounds a bit like like lots of pyrotechnic riffs and snappy solos strung together, however good they might be.
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Icarium
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'Tom Sawyer' has more sci-fi elemnt to it and 'Carry on Wayward Son' more fantasy feel.
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TerLJack
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I had to come back to this one to choose. They are both overplayed, yes. They are also both quality pieces from artists at the peak of their form.
I have a personal affinity for Tom Sawyer, as my band used to play it back in the day. It always got a huge response. Not as complicated as some other Rush songs. Super catchy, though. I don't think we even attempted Kansas. Intricate vocals, instant breaks, actually a pretty darn awesome prog song! And it still stays melodic and singable. You did not ask favorite however. That's what swayed my vote. Most interesting? Carry On My Wayward Sons.
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Progosopher
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Love both these songs and am glad they made it into the mainstream. Well deserved popularity. Voted for Kansas here. The song goes through so many radical changes in little time yet it all holds together perfectly. Tom Sawyer's transitions are difficult to perceive because they are so smooth. I also like the Kansas review better than the Rush review - more energetic and entertaining, yet the other pair got into more depth.
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The world of sound is certainly capable of infinite variety and, were our sense developed, of infinite extensions. -- George Santayana, "The Sense of Beauty"
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