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Poll Question: On a Scale of 1-10: What Do You Rate Yes "Tales"?
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2 [2.50%]
2 [2.50%]
5 [6.25%]
3 [3.75%]
10 [12.50%]
6 [7.50%]
13 [16.25%]
12 [15.00%]
14 [17.50%]
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Originally posted by someone_else someone_else wrote:

Originally posted by dougmcauliffe dougmcauliffe wrote:

The results here continue to show that this is the most polarizing album in prog history
 

One of the most polarizing albums, for sure. But I would not draw this conclusion before similar polls have been launched for Pawn Hearts and Larks' Tongues in Aspic (which are both 7/10 i.m.h.o.).

I'll do a ?/10 poll thread for those two records next; let's see what the current consensus is on those bad boys!

Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

7/10

Revealing Science of God is up there with CTTE, but the rest of the album could have been condensed into one very good side IMO. Not a popular view, I know.

Nah man I'd say that's actually a somewhat common opinion! TRSoG is one of the best, most complete Yes tracks ever. Many feel there's too much "padding" on the rest of the record. This is absolutely understandable. I'm such a Yes nerd, I always loved the album simply because it was more Yes music. Many thought the album dragged; I saw it as an extra helping/serving of the awesomeness that is Yes!

Originally posted by dougmcauliffe dougmcauliffe wrote:

The results here continue to show that this is the most polarizing album in prog history

I was actually under the impression that there was way, way more a positive reception than expected on this one.

So far 8/10 is the highest voted poll option. Not bad at all for an average thus far!

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Some time ago, I said that Tales is the audio equivalent of painting by numbers. It does have its moments, but it also has its other moments... 5/10.
 
 
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If yes had produced TFTO in the cd era, I reckon that a two disc releaae with a 20 minute overture on each disc..one for shrutis and suritis and the other for puranas and tantras....how good would that have been eh?
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Originally posted by M27Barney M27Barney wrote:

Right...in symphonic prog, length is everything (just ask your wife)...the restored version is magnificent and even the weird drumming part of ritual sort of prepares the pallatte for the soaring guitar section that precededs the reprised theme. No if buts or excuses, if you don't appreciate the four movements then you are not a symphonic prog fan. Get over it, don't rate it and get back to listening to Duke or Abacab....

Right, so Rick Wakeman is not a Symphonic prog fan then.

For the record,  I don't particularly like Tales but I love Symphonic Prog.
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3/10; I tried often enough but nothing of it ever stays with me.
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Originally posted by M27Barney M27Barney wrote:

If yes had produced TFTO in the cd era, I reckon that a two disc releaae with a 20 minute overture on each disc..one for shrutis and suritis and the other for puranas and tantras....how good would that have been eh?

The funny part is there are cassette tape pressings of TFTO; they're all over eBay lol.

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Originally posted by digdug digdug wrote:

Originally posted by M27Barney M27Barney wrote:

Right...in symphonic prog, length is everything (just ask your wife)...the restored version is magnificent and even the weird drumming part of ritual sort of prepares the pallatte for the soaring guitar section that precededs the reprised theme. No if buts or excuses, if you don't appreciate the four movements then you are not a symphonic prog fan. Get over it, don't rate it and get back to listening to Duke or Abacab....


Right, so Rick Wakeman is not a Symphonic prog fan then.

For the record,  I don't particularly like Tales but I love Symphonic Prog.

Wakeman was just narked because all of the music was written by Howe/Anderson on tour in Japan. He is possibly underused on the double album but he is part of a fine peice of music and can be proud of some of his moog and mellotron work which is sublime. Anybody who claims to be symphonic prog fan and dimisses it's paradigm exemplar is clearly missing the point. Its like claiming to be a vegan whilst tucking into a large steak and dismissing a nut cutlet as tasteless...
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I gave it a vote of '1' because there was no selection of '0'.
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Originally posted by M27Barney M27Barney wrote:

Right...in symphonic prog, length is everything (just ask your wife)...the restored version is magnificent and even the weird drumming part of ritual sort of prepares the pallatte for the soaring guitar section that precededs the reprised theme. No if buts or excuses, if you don't appreciate the four movements then you are not a symphonic prog fan. Get over it, don't rate it and get back to listening to Duke or Abacab....

1 - I asked my wife and she agrees with me, music its not science or dogma, it is art, we are glad you like "Tales.." a lot, in my case i bought it 30 years ago and i still have it because its cover art its beautiful, but never click on me, for me Tales and works by ELP are possibly the most pretentious, long - winded, boring, self indulgent and meandering symphonic album ever recorded. 
For me, the only great song its "The revealing Science of God", the rest do nothing for me, and the lyrics are outrageous. 
In my opinion its a regular album (5/10), i Prefer by miles CTTE, Fragile, Relayer, The Yes Album, Time and Word, Drama

2 - I prefer Bruford in King Crimson and in his solo works, Earthworks its great

3 - "in symphonic prog, length is everything" no way, i totally disagree, listen "The Advent of Panurge", "think of me with Kindness" by Gentle Giant, "Things I donīt understand" and "Running Hard" by Renaissance, "Ice" by Camel, "Roundabout" by Yes and the list go on... none of those songs reaches 10 minutes and they are complex and symphonic.

4 -  "if you don't appreciate the four movements then you are not a symphonic prog fan" CryCryLOLLOL  this type of sentence reminds me one of the  silliest phrases ever by the band Manowar "If you donīt like Heavy Metal you arenīt my friend"

5 - "Get over it, don't rate it and get back to listening to Duke or Abacab....". I think Abacab its awful, "Duke" i judge like a well craft 80īs pop album (6/10) not symphonic prog rock, if i want to ear pop i prefer baroque pop like The Left Banke, Scott Walker or the Mandrake Memorial, ill recommend you.

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hmmm.. another one hard to rate...

not their best album... but what it was was not merely their greatest artistic statement.. it was prog's greatest statement. Everything that prog aspired to be... was leading up to.. was this album. Thus after this album.. prog started the slide toward becoming a parody of itself for this one was the pinacle of prog rock.

an easy 10... a vast thematic musical soundscape painted by the only group really talented and creative enough to have carried it off. 


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This last page has the polarization I think we were all looking for, lol.

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Originally posted by digdug digdug wrote:

Originally posted by M27Barney M27Barney wrote:

Right...in symphonic prog, length is everything (just ask your wife)...the restored version is magnificent and even the weird drumming part of ritual sort of prepares the pallatte for the soaring guitar section that precededs the reprised theme. No if buts or excuses, if you don't appreciate the four movements then you are not a symphonic prog fan. Get over it, don't rate it and get back to listening to Duke or Abacab....

Right, so Rick Wakeman is not a Symphonic prog fan then.

For the record,  I don't particularly like Tales but I love Symphonic Prog.

I wrote a review that it's jazz rock. I'll go and tear up my review now.
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Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

hmmm.. another one hard to rate...

not their best album... but what it was was not merely their greatest artistic statement.. it was prog's greatest statement. Everything that prog aspired to be... was leading up to.. was this album. Thus after this album.. prog started the slide toward becoming a parody of itself for this one was the pinacle of prog rock.

an easy 10... a vast thematic musical soundscape painted by the only group really talented and creative enough to have carried it off. 
 

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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

hmmm.. another one hard to rate...

not their best album... but what it was was not merely their greatest artistic statement.. it was prog's greatest statement. Everything that prog aspired to be... was leading up to.. was this album. Thus after this album.. prog started the slide toward becoming a parody of itself for this one was the pinacle of prog rock.

an easy 10... a vast thematic musical soundscape painted by the only group really talented and creative enough to have carried it off. 
 

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Can we also have TAAB in the next poll? I'll give my usual 10/10.
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Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

hmmm.. another one hard to rate...

not their best album... but what it was was not merely their greatest artistic statement.. it was prog's greatest statement. Everything that prog aspired to be... was leading up to.. was this album. Thus after this album.. prog started the slide toward becoming a parody of itself for this one was the pinacle of prog rock.

an easy 10... a vast thematic musical soundscape painted by the only group really talented and creative enough to have carried it off. 


Wasn't expecting that!
Thought you would give 2/10...
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Like Andy Tillison, I remember (in detail) the day I bought the double vinyl from Robinsons Records in Manchester in 1981. October 23rd to be precise...👍
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7 out of 10 seems right. It feels like it's one of those larger than rock albums, something that goes beyond a simple piece of rock, but it seems I'm not ready for it.
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For me a disappointment after the greatness of CTTE. It has grown on me in time but still only a 6/10.
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Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

hmmm.. another one hard to rate...

not their best album... but what it was was not merely their greatest artistic statement.. it was prog's greatest statement. Everything that prog aspired to be... was leading up to.. was this album. Thus after this album.. prog started the slide toward becoming a parody of itself for this one was the pinacle of prog rock.

an easy 10... a vast thematic musical soundscape painted by the only group really talented and creative enough to have carried it off. 


Who are you....and what did you do with the real Micky?
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Side 1 is pretty good......2,3,and 4 should have been cut down to fit a 3 movement second side....end of story.
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Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

hmmm.. another one hard to rate...

not their best album... but what it was was not merely their greatest artistic statement.. it was prog's greatest statement. Everything that prog aspired to be... was leading up to.. was this album. Thus after this album.. prog started the slide toward becoming a parody of itself for this one was the pinacle of prog rock.

an easy 10... a vast thematic musical soundscape painted by the only group really talented and creative enough to have carried it off. 

I would take your argument one step further and say that this was THE album that started the slide in which prog became a parody of itself. Too much, too far. The world at large wasn't ready, wasn't open enough to receive this information, was, in fact, ready to reject this hippy-dippy woo-woo stuff. Plus, you really can tell that Rick was not into it (though, I think, Steve was).
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