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    Posted: August 08 2020 at 09:06
I have received word that Wobblers album is coming out in October and preorders will begin this month^^ I'm a really big fan of King Gizzard, recently i've really been digging their album "Im in Your Mind Fuzz" which is more of a psychedelic rock album than a prog one, but it still kinda scratches that itch. Polygondwanaland is the full blown prog one, Crumbling Castle is one of my favorite modern prog tracks if you haven't heard it yet. Flying Microtonal Banana and Nonagon Infinity are the other two essentials, but if its not for you no worries Smile

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Originally posted by dougmcauliffe dougmcauliffe wrote:

I've been listening to this album a lot, really enjoy it. Contender for my favorite album of the year so far, but I anticipate Wobbler or King Gizzard ultimately taking that spot.
Glad you like it. Carousel is one of the best tunes they've written. Overall, Visions is my favorite Haken album. Give it a listen, if you haven't.

I too am looking forward to Wobbler's new one. Any idea when? And I haven't given up on the Gizzard, but what I've heard (songs from several of their albums) is just meh.

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I've been listening to this album a lot, really enjoy it. Contender for my favorite album of the year so far, but I anticipate Wobbler or King Gizzard ultimately taking that spot.
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Yep I'm not sure about this album on a few listens but because it's Haken I will listen to it again.
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^Key words....."To me.." I have heard what is out streaming. 'To me' it is a continuation of Vector, which is a good album. Honestly what has given me a bad taste on Haken was their live performance during the Vector tour....I was reminded of taking my teenage kids to see blessthefall, A7X and Atreyu, loud screamo metal.

Talk about no dynamics.......LOL so relax, me liking (or not) the album should have no bearing on your impressions of the album and direction of the band.
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^Have you heard the album? To me, it does not sound like any other prog-metal band. They are not doing what other bands have done. They are creating something different.
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Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

Originally posted by dougmcauliffe dougmcauliffe wrote:

Listened to the first half, gonna finish it today. Carousel was great.
Yep, killer tune. For those who don't care for the direction they are going in. Your loss. Yes it's heavier than the first two albums, but it is also the most progressive they have ever been. This album shows they are one of the most original prog-metal bands making music today. Virus is dense and it takes time to appreciate. I love everything about this but the mix. If only it wasn't crushed.

Correction...It's not MY loss. I don't see how doing what other bands have done is progressive anymore?? I enjoy prog-metal, but there is so much of it out there the choices are endless. So far this is the only Haken album I have not bought on release date....seems that is their loss right now.
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Originally posted by dougmcauliffe dougmcauliffe wrote:

Listened to the first half, gonna finish it today. Carousel was great.
Yep, killer tune. For those who don't care for the direction they are going in. Your loss. Yes it's heavier than the first two albums, but it is also the most progressive they have ever been. This album shows they are one of the most original prog-metal bands making music today. Virus is dense and it takes time to appreciate. I love everything about this but the mix. If only it wasn't crushed.
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Originally posted by Squonk19 Squonk19 wrote:

Virus continues with the heavy, metallic sound they showed in Vector. It's an intense listen and I prefer the light and shade of the earlier albums. If that's the way they want to go, that is fine - they'll probably get a larger audience within prog metal than focusing on more of a more traditional prog feel. There are good moments and I think the Messiah Complex suite is an interesting listen - but they have drifted to the edge of my listening range compared to Aquarius and Visions. C'est la vie, but I wish them well.

That's kinda where I'm headed....
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I'm just going to stream it like I do everything now. Don't like CDs. I'll buy it on Apple if it's good enough, but probably not if it's anything like Vector, as I've been told it is.
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Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

There shouldn't be a problem with dynamics on a CD. It is a shame it sounds like this. Don't know if it was the mix or the mastering. It was Haken's choice to use this engineer.

Enjoy the LP if you get it. The music is wonderful.

There is not a problem with dynamics on a CD, unless you have no idea what you are doing........You've heard of the loudness wars right?? Prime example, this CD is brickwalled, terrible.
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Virus continues with the heavy, metallic sound they showed in Vector. It's an intense listen and I prefer the light and shade of the earlier albums. If that's the way they want to go, that is fine - they'll probably get a larger audience within prog metal than focusing on more of a more traditional prog feel. There are good moments and I think the Messiah Complex suite is an interesting listen - but they have drifted to the edge of my listening range compared to Aquarius and Visions. C'est la vie, but I wish them well.
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There shouldn't be a problem with dynamics on a CD. It is a shame it sounds like this. Don't know if it was the mix or the mastering. It was Haken's choice to use this engineer.

Enjoy the LP if you get it. The music is wonderful.
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Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

Finally heard Virus in its entirety. Could be their heaviest so far, but at the same time, some of the breaks are the most creative/progressive they have ever been. They are pushing boundaries. This album will take time to digest, but so far so good.

However, the mix/master is awful. There is no dynamic range and the life has been sucked out of this. Why do they do this, and who likes this sound? And does anyone listen to the instrumental disc (Cd 2)?

If I get this album it will be the record LP version......Already on the DR website the CD is coming in at avg DR of 6-7....BAD!! The LP is at avg of 11.

Nuff said, CDs sux. And who does this?? Very bad mastering engineer....some guy named Ermin Hamidovic?? from Australia. Looks like the LP version was cut and pressed at Optimal Media in Germany, theee best on the planet.
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Listened to the first half, gonna finish it today. Carousel was great.
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Finally heard Virus in its entirety. Could be their heaviest so far, but at the same time, some of the breaks are the most creative/progressive they have ever been. They are pushing boundaries. This album will take time to digest, but so far so good.

However, the mix/master is awful. There is no dynamic range and the life has been sucked out of this. Why do they do this, and who likes this sound? And does anyone listen to the instrumental disc (Cd 2)?



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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

So if unique is a stretch, generic is a stretch, too. LOL

Note that there was "towards" in my post. It's less and less of a stretch is what was said.
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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

I have all their albums and along with BBT they are one of my current favourites. The Mountain is a bit overrated and too derivative of other bands for my liking. The Cockroach King is great (GG vibe) but the rest is unremarkable. Like BBT they are quite a large ensemble of musicians and are a bit of a heavy prog orchestra if such a thing can exist! I would recommend the live DVD. 
Affinity is easily my favourite by them but I enjoyed the last one so very much looking forward to the next.
BTW all the lazy Dream Theater references being chucked around - tut tut. Give them a chance please.

My favorite off The Mountain is Atlas Stone. It's the one I show to people to introduce them to the band, and they always think it's awesome.
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I have all their albums and along with BBT they are one of my current favourites. The Mountain is a bit overrated and too derivative of other bands for my liking. The Cockroach King is great (GG vibe) but the rest is unremarkable. Like BBT they are quite a large ensemble of musicians and are a bit of a heavy prog orchestra if such a thing can exist! I would recommend the live DVD. 
Affinity is easily my favourite by them but I enjoyed the last one so very much looking forward to the next.
BTW all the lazy Dream Theater references being chucked around - tut tut. Give them a chance please.
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

I wasn't trying to prove they are unique, just that I don't find them generic. Generic is just a fancy word to describe something that is predictable, mediocre which IMHO Haken has never been. Also I dare call them one of the unique bands because I haven't heard other bands that sound like them. 

So if unique is a stretch, generic is a stretch, too. LOL

Fair enough, but since turning to djent, I think they're prone to monotony. The fact that the keyboard tends to be another rhythm propagator is depressing. I know these guys can make some damn fine prog too, which is why it's all the more painful. If their past is any indication, they'll hopefully move onto a new style.
With all that said, I'm still going to buy Virus, and I'm still going to like it.
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