Time for Kansas to retire ?

Enchant X wrote: Its not kansas we are listening to anymore its more a cover band of Kansas , without Steve Walsh and Kerry Livgren the heart and soul has gone, what we are left with is predictable songs with shallow meanings.

Who the heck said Fish was retired? He has a new album that was just released today as a matter of fact. If he did announce his retirement he must have done so very recently but I didn't hear it.

Edited by AFlowerKingCrimson - September 25 2020 at 14:20

Also, I voted no.  I've really liked their last 3 albums.  

Kansas should continue.  (Every time there's a poll, a message says 'You cannot vote in this poll'.  I don't know why that is.)  Since I can't vote, I'll put it in words, No, they should absolutely not retire.  I find Absence to be even better than preceding Prelude.  In fact, I think Absence is one of their best six or seven CDs, ever.  I enjoy the entire disc.  Sure, the only real strong prog piece is the short instrumental; but as a rock band with many prog tendencies, I love them, and hope they continue to rock on.  I agree with many fans that the first five albums were their strongest -- and the most prog, even with those two or three bluesier numbers, ouch; but as largely different lineup in a different decade, I'm just happy they still compose killer tunes, some rock, some prog.   Kansas remains my favorite band of all time.  

Logan wrote: chopper wrote: moshkito wrote: Hi, No true artist will EVER retire from what they do best!   I guess nobody told Fish that!   As I said, I'm not a Kansas expert but I've played the album again and it seems perfectly acceptable. It's all down to personal taste but you can't ask a band to retire just because you shelled out dollars for something you don't like (otherwise Yes would have packed up after H&E). With Fish being Scottish, with this no true artist claim, I'm ever more reminded of the No True Scotsman fallacy. Scotty MacKilt declares that no Scotsmen would put sugar and fish in his porridge. Derek William Dick declares that he is a Scotsman and he puts sugar and fish in his porridge and drops a haddock and some sugar in his bowl. Scotty screams that no true Scotsman puts sugar and fish in his porridge! A now angry Dick picks up the fish and smacks Steve Rothery in the head with it for having no business being in this example. If maybe it is time for Kansas to retire, then that is contingent on if Kansas wants to retire or is forced to retire due to circumstances as I see it. Based on my opinion of the music had I heard it, certainly not. I won't say when it's time for the band to retire -- not my call.

I just wish Fish and Marillion come to their senses and realized they are useless without each other. Let's face the reality and stop pretending 

Edited by Enchant X - September 25 2020 at 22:01

in the long run these bands make no money on new music---only on touring---Howe has said not new music from Yes---(its a tribute band at this point anyway)--he has no good writing partners in the band anyway---and they make money from tours---I'm not a fan of Kansas but heard some of their last album and it wasn't bad--plus Tom Breslin is a good guy and talented.

Gee I thought it was a pretty enjoyable recording so I don't agree with your comments at all. And your comments about Fish and Marillion are misinformed. You should listen to Absence of Presence again to at least justify your $42 purchase.

The last 2 albums are enjoyable. There is still plenty of life in their music and they are way better than most of what is now still available. Anyway why on earth are we trying to 'retire' any prog bands?!  Lets retire all the useless pop crap that is being put out instead.

Logan wrote: Enchant X wrote: Logan wrote: chopper wrote: moshkito wrote: Hi, No true artist will EVER retire from what they do best!   I guess nobody told Fish that!   As I said, I'm not a Kansas expert but I've played the album again and it seems perfectly acceptable. It's all down to personal taste but you can't ask a band to retire just because you shelled out dollars for something you don't like (otherwise Yes would have packed up after H&E). With Fish being Scottish, with this no true artist claim, I'm ever more reminded of the No True Scotsman fallacy. Scotty MacKilt declares that no Scotsmen would put sugar and fish in his porridge. Derek William Dick declares that he is a Scotsman and he puts sugar and fish in his porridge and drops a haddock and some sugar in his bowl. Scotty screams that no true Scotsman puts sugar and fish in his porridge! A now angry Dick picks up the fish and smacks Steve Rothery in the head with it for having no business being in this example. If maybe it is time for Kansas to retire, then that is contingent on if Kansas wants to retire or is forced to retire due to circumstances as I see it. Based on my opinion of the music had I heard it, certainly not. I won't say when it's time for the band to retire -- not my call. I just wish Fish and Marillion come to their senses and realized they are useless without each other. Let's face the reality and stop pretending  So cruel... Keep Hogarth in as a background vocalist, plus additional keyboards and guitar, and as a dancer though (think Stacia with Hawkwind)*. Marillion could call the new album Hog-Fish. It's like a dogfish except instead of barking it squeals. (j/k) * a reference many may not get.

Enchant X wrote: Its not kansas we are listening to anymore its more a cover band of Kansas , without Steve Walsh and Kerry Livgren the heart and soul has gone, what we are left with is predictable songs with shallow meanings.