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SteveG
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If some negitive PA reviews are coddling then I'd hate to see what an all out assault looks like.
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Grumpyprogfan
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Some of the artists here are coddled in my opinion. I assume Wintertree is satisfied with his outcome.
For an example of what I mean, a tale from the other side... On, April 19th, 2020, I received this PM from a musician that lurks here and will post when their name pops up.
"Seems that ‘easy money’ deleted his thread about “known people visiting PA” in which he stated that i had asked people to improve Ratings on my albums...which for the record, i have never done (hence his Now deleting it) and that was the post on which you then called me “pathetic” etc joining in the flaming without questioning it factually" |
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SteveG
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But that's another story.
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ExittheLemming
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It can't be slander if it's true. End of.
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SteveG
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Many members, both visable and invisible, agreed with your concern. How about we let it drop now that the review in question has been altered to your satisfaction.
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Wintertree
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I strongly believe in freedom of speech and the press. But in this case I was accused in print of plagiarism. Whether he "meant" it or not is a
mute point. I don't think I'm being thin skinned to want to protect my reputation.I know some people have less respect for artists if they are not "famous", but I like to protect my reputation.People can say or print anything about me that is fact or opinion. I would have preferred that the writer himself could have addressed this but so be it. |
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Shadowyzard
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BTW, I like Magus/The Winter Tree. Cool stuff!
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Shadowyzard
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Criticisms denoting musical inaptitude are different than those indicating that your music is sham, IMO.
I think a person should have a thick skin in the first, but if the claim is outright false like in the latter case, s/he has the right to make it corrected. Imagine someone claims that a musician is a rapist... So is this freedom of speech? If the claim is false, it is perfectly legit to demand its removal from the content. Edited by Shadowyzard - April 10 2021 at 04:34 |
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SteveG
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nick_h_nz
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Freedom of speech and freedom of expression do not mean freedom from consequences. I think you are being thinner skinned than the artist, to be honest. I’m sure if the reviewer were still active, and I’m assuming they are not, then they would have been contacted to be asked to edit the post themselves. But if they chose not to edit it themselves, then I think there is no problem with editing it on their behalf. |
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UMUR
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If someone ever wants to censor one of my reviews I hope they´ll contact me in good time before anything is done. I think it´s disrespectful to a reviewer who maybe spends hours writing a review, to have someone edit it without their consent. Personally I would be furious. When did it become the norm that artists can dictate what a reviewer should write about their music??? The word plagarize is a strong word, and the artist may find it offensive that someone thinks their music sounds a lot like a more known artists (in this case the mighty Floyd), but come on...it´s not a crime and I think the artist is a little thin skinned here. I´ll go lenghts for freedom of speech and freedom of expression, and I take offense to the fact that someone would even consider making edits to an otherwise valid and well written review.
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SteveG
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Good things come to those that wait, but I hope you don't wait another 8 years before posting here again.
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Wintertree
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Thank you, I appreciate it!
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Logan
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The charge of plagiarism was not okay and I have edited the review to change it to still sounds imitative of (by which I hope it is implied that that means that it sounds that way at least to the reviewer even if it wasn't actually being imitated by the artist).
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Just a music fan passing through trying to fill some void. Various music I am into now: a youtube playlist
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SteveG
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You're welcome. Hopefully an admin will see these posts and have an opinion on this.
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Wintertree
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I just wanted to state my case. Thank you all for your responses.
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SteveG
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No one here, save the album reviewer, is even suggesting that you sound like Floyd. We are only using that comparison as an example in our discussion. That said, it's still a subjective opinion and the reviewer is entitled to it. The use of the word plagerism is the problem, as it denotes an objective legal opinion as opposed to a subjective artistic opinion.
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Wintertree
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I loved Pink Floyd as a kid but never set out to copy them in any way . I like simple structures and atmospheric sonics. My influences are legion and varied, from Nick Drake to Jon Hassell. I NEVER sit down to work on a song and think " Hmmm, I think I will make this sound just like Pink Floyd". I just write what I feel.
I find being accused of plagiarizing another artist vey insulting and very serious. Edited by Wintertree - April 09 2021 at 06:10 |
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SteveG
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Edited by SteveG - April 09 2021 at 05:48 |
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Raff
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My own 2 cents, for what they're worth... It's clear to me, as a non-native speaker of English, and occasional translator/interpreter, that the author of the review meant something else - such as "imitating", which does not have the same potential for legal trouble that "plagiarizing" has. However, that's the word he used (misspelling it as well), and I agree with the artist and other users that it needs to go. The rest of the review - which is not bad at all, in purely formal terms - should remain as it is. Not having heard the album in question, I don't know how similar the music is to that of PF. However, I can tell you that in my reviewing days I've come across albums that sounded so similar to another band/artist as to be virtually indistinguishable. However, I don't believe you can accuse anyone of actual plagiarism unless another work is actually reproduced word-for-word (or, in this case, note-for-note).
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