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Hi,

Hard to agree or disagree with anything here.

Until the day that "progressive music" and then "prog music" get properly defined for the music ... NOT THE SOUND ... I'm not sure that every site out there will agree on anything, and some of them were probably created as a reaction to some other site.

My main concern is that the definitions out there (and here) are so out of touch with MUSIC itself, as to make things confusing and difficult. And when someone simply factors in a blue guitar or a swinging organ, and complete ignores the music that is played through those, I'm not sure that we can decide on anything except disagreement.

The main issue still will remain ... the fans and social media addicts thinking that they know it better than the actual musician that created and played the darn thing ... and as I said before that is a total disrespect for the artist, and the same goes for the soccer fans (from one country at least) booing and throwing debris at an opposing team, which is a gross disrespect for the game and how it was played!

What scares me the most is a society of those "who have it" and those "who don't", and of course, the ones that "don't" are the ones that pay large amounts of money to see a game, or a show somewhere. And they show their disagreement and voice their lack of judgement on the field with throwing debris, and then taking to social media to speak their views.

My only hope is that PA does not succumb to the "social media" frenzy. Already many folks here do not reply to the thread at all, and make personal comments. It's not quite water on the duck's back. For me it is more like Hemingway's line ... "dirt belongs under my feet." For this reason I do not reply to many of those comments and do not involve myself in the social media vacuum!
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I'm a man of science and I like when words are ment to mean something. PA standards just dilute the water. If Swans, Tori Amos, Dead Can Dance, Nine Inch Nails are prog, then this word doesn't mean anything. And I say it as a great fan of most of the abovementioned. But, it's only my humble opinion and it doesn't spoil the enjoyment I take from visiting PA frequently.

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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

[QUOTE=nick_h_nz]I'm not really against NIN being considered prog(same thing with SR) but my main problem is this. If you have NIN as prog then it starts this whole big snowball thing where then you have to include Phish, Tool, Radiohead, Muse, Coheed and Cambria and on and on.Most of those bands are on here anyway actually. However, my point is you have to draw the line somewhere. IMO, NIN are more like industrial and not prog. However, I'm sure there's a good reason they are on here and not Skinny Puppy or Ministry and so I won't argue about it. It's just that based on what I've heard by them I wouldn't consider them prog. Maybe I need to hear more. Who knows.

That tends to be the problem most of the time with most of the artists that people either complain about being here, or have no problem with them being here, but don’t understand why. It all boils down to not having heard what makes the artist prog. But at least you can admit that you are basing your opinion on what you’ve listened to, and that you may need to hear more.

NIN certainly began as a fairly generic industrial band that was so clearly influenced by Skinny Puppy they were criticised for being derivative. But album after album, Trent changed the sound of NIN to become increasingly more prog. His use of musicians such as Mike Garson and Adrian Belew added quite interesting elements to his music that weren’t normal for industrial. If you can talk about metal and prog metal, folk and prog folk, then you can talk about industrial and prog industrial. But Trent continued to evolve his sound, and there are NIN albums that many old school NIN fans hate, because they are so different from the original sound. There have now been six chapters of NIN’s ambient Ghosts series, and my personal favourite NIN release (Bad Witch) is all over the place, with some wonderful sax playing from Trent. The music is so much more than industrial now, and has been for years.

But, potentially, you might still not hear anything that you consider prog - and that’s fine, too. Everyone has their own definition and idea of what is prog and what is not. But NIN is pretty widely considered a prog band, and definitely beyond the confines of PA.
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^ Well, not to be argumentative or anything but neither allmusic, rate your music or wikipedia consider them prog(progressive rock or any kind of prog) so I'm wondering who you are referring to when you say they are widely considered to be a prog band(besides PA that is). 

For the record, the only ones I own and have heard by NIN are downward spiral(which is ok) and Year Zero (which is pretty awful). I'm sure they are good at what they do but based on what I've heard I have to say I don't think NIN are for me. Also, keep in mind I'm not someone who thinks all music I like is prog and vice versa. If I like it then I like it regardless of the genre. I'm willing to give most stuff a fair chance but realistically we aren't going to like everything. Also, not every inventive or even progressive band can be considered prog rock or prog(since there's a difference between being progressive and being prog rock). If they follow the prog formula or structure on later albums then fine but I'm still skeptical about them being considered prog on here especially when collaborators have said that just having a few prog albums doesn't make someone a prog band. There's been debates about whether Muse are prog also and probably a bunch of other bands. Obviously we all have our own opinions and I'm sure there was much back and forth discussion(and arguments) before they decided to include NIN on here(much like with SD) . 


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There is a category here called Prog-related. All grey area artists should reside there. And that includes Miles! That way they are not part of the Top 100. Problem solved.
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Originally posted by miamiscot miamiscot wrote:

There is a category here called Prog-related. All grey area artists should reside there. And that includes Miles! That way they are not part of the Top 100. Problem solved.

Amen to that. Wink
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^ The only Miles Davis album I take issue with in the top 100 is Kind of Blue.  This is an issue with our complete discography policy as well that we label acts not albums.  I think Miles Davis better suited to our JRF category than Prog Related for the late 60s through mid-70s period that he was included in PA for.  Herbie Hancock has a similar case.  

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Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

^ The only Miles Davis album I take issue with in the top 100 is Kind of Blue.  This is a problem with our complete policy as well that we label acts not albums.  I think Miles Davis better suited to our JRF category than Prog Related for the late 60s through mid-70s period that he was included in PA for.  Herbie Hancock has a similar case.


It would make sense that they were in prog related given that they were never prog artists and simply made some influential fusion albums which are well within the minority of their entire canons. 

Of course this could all be changed with the ability to label albums separately or multi-label.

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^ To me the JRF category is more descriptive of the electric Miles period than Prog Related is, which is one reason why I would not support the move into PR (I would consider it if a strong case was made and the JRF team unanimously supported it -- course the JRF team decided to add it to begin with).  One could say that lot of JRF is not Prog proper, and its here as part of the umbrella.  While I wouldn't say this is true (don't know), it has been said that the JRF category was basically created for Mahavishnu Orchestra (add Weather Report, I would think, and...).

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Originally posted by nick_h_nz nick_h_nz wrote:

it might be a generational thing, maybe? Older prog fans who think of prog more in symphonic terms are surprised to think that anyone might consider bands like NIN and Sigur Rós are considered prog, but younger prog fans just accept it. It never occurred to me that people might not consider many of the bands listed. To use just NIN and Sigur Rós as examples, their albums have been routinely reviewed by prog websites and prog FB pages, and featured in prog blogs and mags.

Obviously, there will be older prog fans who are more accepting of bands like NIN and Sigur Rós being prog; and younger fans for whom this seems odd - but broadly speaking, and making the kind of generalisations that are bound to get me in trouble, I think the younger generations are able to recognise prog across a far wider spectrum than older fans who, if not stuck in the past, still stick to the more classic, symphonic sounds.


I'm 29 and I don't see those bands as prog, NiN is industrial rock and Sigur Ros post rock. You can ask fans of those bands and they might not be into prog at all. And they will hardly mention prog if you ask the genre of music they make. I think stuff like Supertramp, Moody Blues, Radiohead, early Queen, etc, might be debated or fall into "crossover" prog, but those artists are simply a different genre.

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^ The only Miles Davis album I take issue with in the top 100 is Kind of Blue.  This is an issue with our complete discography policy as well that we label acts not albums.


This is a VERY important issue. You have stuff like 80's Genesis as prog and albums that could be considered prog by non-prog bands ignored. It would be much better if albums were judged individually. 
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Originally posted by TheLionOfPrague TheLionOfPrague wrote:

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This is a VERY important issue. You have stuff like 80's Genesis as prog and albums that could be considered prog by non-prog bands ignored. It would be much better if albums were judged individually. 

Hi,

I would prefer that each and every band was NOT judged by one album ... but the multitude of albums, instead.

We don't refine our definition of Picasso, simply because he has a blue period, a rose period and then a cubistic period. It is all a part of the artist, and the fan has no say in the matter. The same should be addressed about the music that a band makes, although some change from the start and end differently ... which can easily be solved as being a part of progressive, but going away from the mode as time went by in the biographical section.

The same thing happens with AD2 when in right into VIVE LA TRANCE they stopped the long cuts and instead made a bunch of songs, that presumably were designed to make fun of radio but they also ended up making the band "clever" and more fun to listen to, if not a bit strange and weird in their applications of their "humor". Essentially, the band that had improvised and created from improvised scenarios, all of a sudden could only do "songs" and the battles within their members became more and more acute as to which material showed up or not, ending in an album that JW called "b*****d" in an email discussion and their website STILL does not list that album, which shows you their respect for each other which probably has been there under the table for a while! The "progressive" aspect of the band was replaced by what I would consider poor choices of music other than a few things in between. The band had lost its "source" and "way" to even be considered progressive by that time. Genesis was the same thing. While I do not think of YES the same way, I find the older material not as valuable and important as the earlier material which to me also brings down the "progressive" value. 

It's a serious issue ... but I really don't want to define a "band" by one album, when the rest is crap! 
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Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

^ To me the JRF category is more descriptive of the electric Miles period than Prog Related is, which is one reason why I would not support the move into PR (I would consider it if a strong case was made and the JRF team unanimously supported it -- course the JRF team decided to add it to begin with).  One could say that lot of JRF is not Prog proper, and its here as part of the umbrella.  While I wouldn't say this is true (don't know), it has been said that the JRF category was basically created for Mahavishnu Orchestra (add Weather Report, I would think, and...).



How about a "mostly not prog but some real winners in there" category? LOL

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Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

^ The only Miles Davis album I take issue with in the top 100 is Kind of Blue.  This is an issue with our complete discography policy as well that we label acts not albums.  I think Miles Davis better suited to our JRF category than Prog Related for the late 60s through mid-70s period that he was included in PA for.  Herbie Hancock has a similar case.  

It's the same case with Chick, yet he remains absent. If we get stingy about jazz artists that only dabbled in fusion for a brief period in the 70s, then realistically, many of these artists should be gone (or relegated to Related if the standards for that grouping were to be expanded to include jazz musicians). And in Chick's case, he remained in a "progressive" realm (in the context of jazz AND jazz fusion) for a much larger portion of his discography than the aforementioned two giants. That being said, I realize this involves difficult discussions and debates, so I'm not really complaining. Just observing.
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Don't you mean the Beatles? Wink
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Originally posted by Awesoreno Awesoreno wrote:

Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

^ The only Miles Davis album I take issue with in the top 100 is Kind of Blue.  This is an issue with our complete discography policy as well that we label acts not albums.  I think Miles Davis better suited to our JRF category than Prog Related for the late 60s through mid-70s period that he was included in PA for.  Herbie Hancock has a similar case.  

It's the same case with Chick, yet he remains absent. If we get stingy about jazz artists that only dabbled in fusion for a brief period in the 70s, then realistically, many of these artists should be gone (or relegated to Related if the standards for that grouping were to be expanded to include jazz musicians). And in Chick's case, he remained in a "progressive" realm (in the context of jazz AND jazz fusion) for a much larger portion of his discography than the aforementioned two giants. That being said, I realize this involves difficult discussions and debates, so I'm not really complaining. Just observing.


I totally agree with you in theory but like everything in this crazy world, nothing really works the way we want it to.

Firstly, the good news is that Chic is already here in a couple forms anyway, namely the Chic Corea Elektric Band as well as our beloved Return To Forever but he also had some fusion albums as a solo artist as well.

It took me a while to wrap my head around the jazz-fusion thing here but what it boils down to is that it is not an all encompassing addition process.

The category is reserved for only the most progressive of the lot as well as certain artists who were highly influential, so that explains why Davis and Hancock are here and others like Sun Ra and Freddie Hubbard are not.

Most of you have no idea how many fusion artists we turn down because they either aren't based in progressive rock or they had one fusion album out of dozens of jazz releases.

Therefore, jazz disco, jazz arabic folk etc doesn't fly here.

And yessir, there are always artists that remain here or remain absent that always make us go WTF

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A couple of years ago I would have been all over this thread...but man I’m tired of filosofying over stickers. Just looking at this thread makes me want to take a nap
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Originally posted by TheLionOfPrague TheLionOfPrague wrote:

Originally posted by nick_h_nz nick_h_nz wrote:

it might be a generational thing, maybe? Older prog fans who think of prog more in symphonic terms are surprised to think that anyone might consider bands like NIN and Sigur Rós are considered prog, but younger prog fans just accept it. It never occurred to me that people might not consider many of the bands listed. To use just NIN and Sigur Rós as examples, their albums have been routinely reviewed by prog websites and prog FB pages, and featured in prog blogs and mags.

Obviously, there will be older prog fans who are more accepting of bands like NIN and Sigur Rós being prog; and younger fans for whom this seems odd - but broadly speaking, and making the kind of generalisations that are bound to get me in trouble, I think the younger generations are able to recognise prog across a far wider spectrum than older fans who, if not stuck in the past, still stick to the more classic, symphonic sounds.


I'm 29 and I don't see those bands as prog, NiN is industrial rock and Sigur Ros post rock. You can ask fans of those bands and they might not be into prog at all. And they will hardly mention prog if you ask the genre of music they make. I think stuff like Supertramp, Moody Blues, Radiohead, early Queen, etc, might be debated or fall into "crossover" prog, but those artists are simply a different genre.


Yup.  I am 35 and have never thought of NiN as prog either. Likewise, I was a fan of Tori Amos long before she was added to progarchives.  I know a bunch of prog-listening friends all roughly in my age group and none of them would consider her prog.  It is what it is.
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Originally posted by TheLionOfPrague TheLionOfPrague wrote:


I'm 29 and I don't see those bands as prog, NiN is industrial rock and Sigur Ros post rock. You can ask fans of those bands and they might not be into prog at all. And they will hardly mention prog if you ask the genre of music they make. I think stuff like Supertramp, Moody Blues, Radiohead, early Queen, etc, might be debated or fall into "crossover" prog, but those artists are simply a different genre.

 

NIN has gone beyond industrial, they did ambient/electronic, atmospheric music, I don't mind them being here on PA.

As for Sigur Ros, post rock is a prog subgenre, isn't it? No problem for them being on PA or being considered a prog band. What am I missing here? Confused
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Originally posted by TheLionOfPrague TheLionOfPrague wrote:


I'm 29 and I don't see those bands as prog, NiN is industrial rock and Sigur Ros post rock. You can ask fans of those bands and they might not be into prog at all. And they will hardly mention prog if you ask the genre of music they make. I think stuff like Supertramp, Moody Blues, Radiohead, early Queen, etc, might be debated or fall into "crossover" prog, but those artists are simply a different genre.

 

NIN has gone beyond industrial, they did ambient/electronic, atmospheric music, I don't mind them being here on PA.

As for Sigur Ros, post rock is a prog subgenre, isn't it? No problem for them being on PA or being considered a prog band. What am I missing here? Confused

Just the usual boring old argument about what is or isn’t prog. As usual people going for the anecdotal “no one I know” argument to “prove” something isn’t prog. Or the “most people that listen to it wouldn’t think it were prog” as “evidence” something isn’t prog. It’s all quite laughable. Not because people get so hung up on what they think is or isn’t prog, but because in this instance it is about something on PA not being prog.

As far as I’m aware, a band still has to be recognised and acknowledged as being prog outside PA for inclusion in the archives. Not only that, but they have to be “prog enough” to be included in the archives, which is why the opposite of the OP is the truth - there are many bands recognised as prog that are not in PA. I very much doubt there are any bands in PA that are NOT recognised as prog outside the archive - despite what any one individual thinks.

It’s irrelevant if a large chunk of their fans have never thought of the band or artist as prog. I as listening to prog music for years before knowing it was recognised as prog music. You most definitely don’t need to know something is prog to enjoy the music and be a fan.

But, and I will keep going back to NIN and Sigur Rós, because they keep getting brought up, it is easy to see that they are recognised as being prog. Both have featured in Prog magazine, and though someone earlier mentioned that being in Prog doesn’t mean they are prog, that’s splitting hairs. Prog magazine has always featured bands that are on the edges of prog, but has also always acknowledged that (“it’s prog, Jim, but not as we know it”, etc.), so the argument that just because NIN and Sigur Rós appear in prog doesn’t mean they are prog doesn’t hold much water - particularly when they have appeared in the magazine on more than one occasion (which is definitely not the norm for bands that are more “controversially” prog).

I get that a lot of people here don’t use FB, but there is a huge prog community on FB, and so, so, so, many prog pages and groups. Again, NIN and Sigur Rós appear frequently on prog pages and in prog groups. Their albums are reviewed by pages like The Prog Mind, Progressive Music Planet, and The Progressive Aspect, and their respective websites.

I have never, and would never, try and find something prog about everything I listen to. I don’t really care what is or is not prog when it comes to what I listen to. I never have. Again, I listened to a lot of prog for years, without even knowing it was prog. I really don’t understand why people get so hung up on the word. If something is in PA, then it has been recognised as prog outside PA, and recognised as prog by PA collaborators. Any argument that something is not prog within PA is therefore down to the individual making it. It’s actually quite offensive and insulting, if you think about it - because you are denigrating the work of volunteers who are working to make this site as inclusive as possible.

Over the years I have seen a lot of bands and artists I think are prog rejected, but I have never seen a band or artist accepted that isn’t recognised as prog outside PA. I definitely don’t agree with every rejection by collaborators, but it is far easier to be rejected than accepted into PA, so it’s incredibly short-sighted, and potentially downright right, to suggest that something has been accepted that shouldn’t have been. (And that has been my thought for years, while I have been a collaborator myself only for a couple of months.)
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