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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

They're all on CD and I'm catching up with you fast as I now have 3000+ albums on CD. Smile

"catching up with" my 450 albums? You mean Prog wise.

Media wise, the most of my collection is on vinyl. Thumbs Up


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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Paul, do you have a list of your collection in a database?
Yes, I currently have 16,000+ artists and 80,000+ album covers stored on my old laptop, dating back to the halcyon days when I used to have my own music site - YouTube Episodes & Music - up until 2015 when the piggy bank ran dry, which goes some way towards explaining why most of my music lists are now up to seven years out of date. Tongue

I made a list in Word of my collection in late 90's, when I had a couple of hundred records, and since I just updated it.


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In fact, I owe you an apologise, JD, so here it comes. Smile
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Originally posted by Progishness Progishness wrote:


As Roger Waters once commented, all that matters is whether a song moves you (or not).

That's exactly how I know I am listening to progressive rock because it moves me certain way. No other music (with some exceptions) moves me that way.

BTW Psychedelic Paul - Pink Floyd were not considered a progressive rock band in 1970. As we all know, they started as a psychedelic band and later invented a space-rock. Space rock and progressive rock were 2 separate subgenres of Rock in 1970. From historical point of view, Pink Floyd were not part of British progressive rock movement that started in late 1969. One of Genesis biographies has an interesting memoirs from each member of the band and Anthony Phillips asked about progressive rock beginnings mentioned that he was always surprised when people called PF prog-rock. But times changed and the definition of progressive rock too. Today would be is silly not to consider Pink Floyd as a prog-rock band.


I'm convinced that some very creative and inspirational artists such as David Bowie, Kate Bush are maybe unclassifiable and exist entirely in their own genre, and possibly Pink Floyd do too.
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I think the first prog I heard was on Top Of The Pops, so things like Sylvia and Hocus Pocus. My cousin had a copy of Tubular Bells that I borrowed from him. I had The Yes Album and Yessongs, also got into Wishbone Ash via their album Argus (which I consider prog). My brother had a few Alan Parsons Project albums. Later on in the 70s I discovered Camel. My interest in prog later waned until the early 2000s when I discovered Transatlantic via a Facebook friend who pointed me towards their first album. Through them I got into Neal Morse's music in a big way. 
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Originally posted by Progishness Progishness wrote:

I'm convinced that some very creative and inspirational artists such as David Bowie, Kate Bush are maybe unclassifiable and exist entirely in their own genre, and possibly Pink Floyd do too.

Like many other bands, PF were from the very beginning influenced very much by electronic music (Musique Concrete and Minimalism) and had strong Psychedelic elements, so I certainly won't say they exist only in their own genre - but I agree they were very creative, at least in many years. Smile


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Originally posted by enigmatic enigmatic wrote:

Pink Floyd were not considered a progressive rock band in 1970. As we all know, they started as a psychedelic band and later invented a space-rock. Space rock and progressive rock were 2 separate subgenres of Rock in 1970. From historical point of view, Pink Floyd were not part of British progressive rock movement that started in late 1969. One of Genesis biographies has an interesting memoirs from each member of the band and Anthony Phillips asked about progressive rock beginnings mentioned that he was always surprised when people called PF prog-rock.

Very interesting, but "started as a psychedelic band and later invented a space-rock", when was the later? I'd say that the space theme is already very strong on their debut album, and can be heard on their 1966 concerts.


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Originally posted by Progishness Progishness wrote:

Originally posted by enigmatic enigmatic wrote:

Originally posted by Progishness Progishness wrote:


As Roger Waters once commented, all that matters is whether a song moves you (or not).

That's exactly how I know I am listening to progressive rock because it moves me certain way. No other music (with some exceptions) moves me that way.

BTW Psychedelic Paul - Pink Floyd were not considered a progressive rock band in 1970. As we all know, they started as a psychedelic band and later invented a space-rock. Space rock and progressive rock were 2 separate subgenres of Rock in 1970. From historical point of view, Pink Floyd were not part of British progressive rock movement that started in late 1969. One of Genesis biographies has an interesting memoirs from each member of the band and Anthony Phillips asked about progressive rock beginnings mentioned that he was always surprised when people called PF prog-rock. But times changed and the definition of progressive rock too. Today would be is silly not to consider Pink Floyd as a prog-rock band.


I'm convinced that some very creative and inspirational artists such as David Bowie, Kate Bush are maybe unclassifiable and exist entirely in their own genre, and possibly Pink Floyd do too.

I saw an interview with Zappa being asked if Pink Floyd was progressive rock and he answered "sometimes". Tongue
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I saw an interview with Zappa being asked if Pink Floyd was progressive rock and he answered "sometimes". Tongue

Yes, exactly. I watched this interview too, from 1984 and is available on YT. 

I have to say he was pretty accurate. I would only change Traffic from "no" to "sometimes". 
Please note what he said about his music: "I wouldn't describe it as progressive rock". Wink


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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Very interesting, but "started as a psychedelic band and later invented a space-rock", when was the later? I'd say that the space theme is already very strong on their debut album, and can be heard on their 1966 concerts.
Today, after restful sleep, I would probably drop "later" from the sentence I wrote yesterday. Examples of space rock can be found on "The Piper at the Gates of Dawn", for instance "Interstellar Overdrive", but I would still call their debut a psychedelic rock album, not a space rock.
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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:


In fact, I owe you an apologise, JD, so here it comes. Smile
Really? I have no idea why, you haven't done anything to offend. Confused
However, on a different note, you said you catalogue your collection in Word. I'd like to see how you format it. I find Excel a better option. Here's a snip of my LP list. I have a tab for LP's, one for CD's, one for Digital and one that has all LP and CD's, which I consider my real collection. I never count digital files.

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Originally posted by JD JD wrote:

Really? I have no idea why, you haven't done anything to offend. Confused

I'm glad, you think of it that way.

Originally posted by JD JD wrote:

... you said you catalogue your collection in Word. I'd like to see how you format it. I find Excel a better option. 

Okay, so here's a snip of my list

Alphataurus  (I)                         Alphataurus                              (Si-Wan, 1992 Sydkorea,        (1973)

                                                                                                                130g, a. 2019, 500) 

Amon Düül II  (D)                     Yeti        (1. Strand/Teldec, 1978 D, 2LP, 125g, a. 2019, 500;  (1970)

                                                                              2. CD, Repertoire, 1992 D, a. 2019, 250)

Amon Düül II                         Wolf City       (United Artists, 1972 US, 115g, a. 2004, 500)   (1972)

Ange  (F)                                  Au-delá Du Délire     (Philips, 1974 F, 115g, a. 2004, 250)      (1974)

Aphrodite’s Child  (GRE)         666        (Vertigo/Phonogram, 1974 US, 115g, a. 2004, 450)   (1972)

Area  (I)                                    Crac!                        (Cramps, 1998 I, 165g, a. 2005, 400)      (1975)

Ash Ra Tempel  (D)                 Ash Ra Tempel         (CD, MG.ART, 2011 D, a. 2012, 150)      (1971)


Using Excel would certainly have some advantages but I suppose Word has, too. Anyway, I was used to Word and was not much for learning and trying Excel.


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I guess, your choice of the snip wasn't arbitrary, JD. Tongue
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My entire Prog-Rock CD Collection (excluding Jazz Rock/Fusion, Progressive Electronic, Psychedelic Rock & Prog Related):-

Anathema (3); Argent (1); Astra (2); Barclay James Harvest (6); Be Bop Deluxe (5); Camel (8); Caravan (9); Earth & Fire (2); ELO (7); The Enid (2); Frumpy (1);  Fruupp (2); Genesis (9); David Gilmour; (5); Roger Glover (1); Greenslade (1); Group 1850 (2); Steve Hackett (5); Hardin & York (1); Hawkwind (3); Steve Hillage (4); Jade Warrior (2); Jethro Tull (6); Kansas (6); King Crimson (1); Led Zeppelin (14); Man (5); The Moody Blues (14); Mostly Autumn (3); Nektar (5); Pentangle (2); Pink Floyd (7); Porcupine Tree (4); Procol Harum (4); Quintessence (2); Rare Bird (2); Rare Earth (1); Renaissance (8); Roxy Music (3); Rush (7); Solution (2); Spooky Tooth (7); Strawbs (7); Traffic (6); Robin Trower (5); Van der Graaf Generator (2); Rick Wakeman (5); Roger Waters (2); Jeff Wayne (2); Wishbone Ash (4); Yes (12)


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Very interesting, Paul. I have one album of Group 1850 and Jade Warrior, as well - to mention some of the more obscure ones. And I notice especially the many Moody Blues, Led Zeppelin, Yes, Genesis and 70's albums.





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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:


Very interesting, Paul. I have one album of Group 1850 and Jade Warrior, as well - to mention some of the more obscure ones. And I notice especially the many Moody Blues, Led Zeppelin, Yes, Genesis and 70's albums.



I should just mention that five of those Led Zeppelin albums are double albums, so I was counting them as 10 CD's, making 14 CD's in total. Smile
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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

I guess, your choice of the snip wasn't arbitrary, JD. Tongue
You are absolutely correct ! Thumbs Up
But as you can see, I still have plenty of play grading to do, although 85% of my collection is original bought by me so I know it's mostly NM/NM.
Speaking of which...I hate the grading that Discogs uses.
I would prefer:
M = Mint (sealed, never opened)
MC = Mint condition (opened, but plays just like new)
NM = Near Mint (a very few instances, less than 5 over the whole album, of low level surface noise on lead-in/out or in-betweens)
VG+ = Less than 4 instances of low level surface noise on quiet sections of actual tracks)
VG = (more than 4 instances of low level surface noise on quiet sections of tracks)
VG- = (Less than 4 instances of higher level surface noise on any tracks)
G = Any album with a single loud tick pop or skip anywhere on the album no matter how good the condition is other wise)

Anything worse than that isn't worth having in my collection.
But that's just me.



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Originally posted by enigmatic enigmatic wrote:

Originally posted by Progishness Progishness wrote:


As Roger Waters once commented, all that matters is whether a song moves you (or not).

That's exactly how I know I am listening to progressive rock because it moves me certain way. No other music (with some exceptions) moves me that way.
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It's easy for RW to say something like that when he doesn't care anymore if anyone listens or is moved by his music or what he has to say about anything, including the plumbing in Saturn!

The bad/hard part of all this, is like saying that a song can "move" you, but a Symphony can't. We might as well say that the opening of Strauss' opus piece is a great song, and the rest is schit! And, c'mon, that is a gross problem in terms of what music is and could be, and how it works or not.

Music, in many circles, DID OT MOVE anyone or anything for a long time, and all of a sudden, it moves everyone ... there goes RW's premise ... not to mention that as time goes by we end up getting "ear tuned" to a lot of things that we could not get into yesterday or years ago. 

In the end, I think that RW said that just to get past the person interviewing him, and making it look like he said something important, which a "radio fart person" would immediately jump on and say that all the biggest hits were like that ... same  thing as saying that no other music could EVER/POSSIBLY move you like that one ... that's just so much crock ... it's ridiculous. 

Please pay attention to how he says it ... and obviously Roger's music is not moving a lot of people these days either, since he is living off the PF payouts. Sorry ... he's just another rich fart out there that doesn't care anymore ... period ... and his words are fake and plastic!
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Totally with you on using Excel (or other spreadsheet app) for databases like that - as I have done for my detailed Pink Floyd Songs list. [Useful for sorting by column too.] Red squares denote that I have added relevant comments.

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^Wow, ambitious. I haven't taken it to the track point.
Back when I used file cards (remember those days?) I listed the tracks on the cards. Of course I had far fewer LP's in those days.
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