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Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Although no one called it "prog". It was good rock, as opposite to bad rock,


And that is how I remember it too. We used different adjectives to describe it and differentiate from "regular" rock: sophisticated, ambitious, artistic, complex etc, but don't remember calling it prog.

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Originally posted by Progishness Progishness wrote:

^Or maybe (like me) he never managed to get into Krautrock?

Oh yes, he has!
http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=123882

even his definition of Krautrock is other than PA's.





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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Actually, my own lists contains just all or almost all the albums I own of the topic. So what I love is to tell other about what's in my collection - which I on the other hand consider for the large part as "pearls".

All remaining 500 CDs that I kept are my "pearls" too. The only problem is that my wife doesn't believe me. She would prefer real pearls or even diamonds.

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Originally posted by JD JD wrote:

Well, if you want to take the plunge, I'd be happy to send you my excel sheet for you to populate. Might even have a number of your albums already on it. But, at the end of the day, people are happy with what they are happy with. (how's that for some solid philosophy)

Thanks very much for your offer, JD, but it would be all too late to do it at this point of time, and you're very right about that I'm happy with my Word version, as it's quite appropriate to my needs.
And it's like I find this kind of software more in line with analog technique - I'm just kidding, and yet I now think about it, not quite. Anyway, I'm just happy with it, and very used to it. Smile


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Yeah, yeah, yeah, I turn 62 this month. I heard Aqualung, Fragile, Zeppelin IV, Every Good Boy Deserves Favour, Meddle, Killer and Low Spark of High Heeled Boys at age 11, and that was all I needed to continue down the disreputable path of prog. Although no one called it "prog". It was good rock, as opposed to bad rock, and you knew it when you heard it. 

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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by enigmatic enigmatic wrote:

David_D - you would love it, since you love so much Top 10 lists.

Actually, my own lists contains just all or almost all the albums I own of the topic. So what I love is to tell other about what's in my collection - which I on the other hand consider for the large part as "pearls". Approve Plus, I'm interested in what others are most into.

If to be quite serious, there are many other things in it of course, as well. Like, to put focus on different countries and subgenres, create some activities and conversations (social life), give people possibility to appreciate Prog and other music, and so on. Smile 


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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by enigmatic enigmatic wrote:

David_D - you would love it, since you love so much Top 10 lists.

Actually, my own lists contains just all or almost all the albums I own of the topic. So what I love is to tell other about what's in my collection - which I on the other hand consider for the large part as "pearls". Approve
Well, if you want to take the plunge, I'd be happy to send you my excel sheet for you to populate. Might even have a number of your albums already on it. But, at the end of the day, people are happy with what they are happy with. (how's that for some solid philosophy)
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Originally posted by Progishness Progishness wrote:

Yep I originally kept the details of my music collection on handwritten filecards. I'd got the original idea from spending lunchtimes helping out my school's library in the early 70's, when of course every book had its own filecard. Long before computerised systems had been devised!
F#@k are we ever old. LOLLOL


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Originally posted by enigmatic enigmatic wrote:

David_D - you would love it, since you love so much Top 10 lists.

Actually, my own lists contains just all or almost all the albums I own of the topic. So what I love is to tell other about what's in my collection - which I on the other hand consider for the large part as "pearls". Approve Plus, I'm interested in what others are most into.


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^Or maybe (like me) he never managed to get into Krautrock?
"We're going to need a bigger swear jar."

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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

My entire Prog-Rock CD Collection (excluding Jazz Rock/Fusion, Progressive Electronic, Psychedelic Rock & Prog Related):-

Anathema (3); Argent (1); Astra (2); Barclay James Harvest (6); Be Bop Deluxe (5); Camel (8); Caravan (9); Earth & Fire (2); ELO (7); The Enid (2); Frumpy (1);  Fruupp (2); Genesis (9); David Gilmour; (5); Roger Glover (1); Greenslade (1); Group 1850 (2); Steve Hackett (5); Hardin & York (1); Steve Hillage (4); Jade Warrior (2); Jethro Tull (6); Kansas (6); King Crimson (1); Led Zeppelin (14); Man (5); The Moody Blues (14); Mostly Autumn (3); Nektar (5); Pentangle (2); Pink Floyd (7); Porcupine Tree (4); Procol Harum (4); Quintessence (2); Rare Bird (2); Rare Earth (1); Renaissance (8); Roxy Music (3); Rush (7); Solution (2); Spooky Tooth (7); Strawbs (7); Traffic (6); Robin Trower (5); Van der Graaf Generator (2); Rick Wakeman (5); Roger Waters (2); Jeff Wayne (2); Yes (12)

Not so many Krautrock albums, or you don't consider them as a part of Prog, or you have maybe classified those you have (and I could consider as Krautrock) as Progressive Electronic? - Even I don't think of the last thing as very probable.


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Since my first purchase of PC (around 1995), my small back then CD collection was always in Excel. Easy to use, update and filter the entries.
David_D - you would love it, since you love so much Top 10 lists.
To create one, would take you no time.

My current collection - 500 CDs, 3000 digital albums - mostly progressive rock, psych-rock, avant-rock, jazz-rock/fusion, jazz, post-punk, new wave, grunge.

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Originally posted by JD JD wrote:

..I hate the grading that Discogs uses.
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Anything worse than that isn't worth having in my collection.
But that's just me.

I find Discogs' grading quite okay... if it just was used in the real life, but I'm certainly most into very good condition of both the media and covers, too, as I'm HiFi enthusiast as well.


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I am 65 and I grew up in a town in South Jersey which had a redneck mentality in the social environment. However Progressive Rock became huge in the area and the youth invested their time in it. People were forming Progressive Rock bands in the area and performing regularly. Up town there was a venue called "A Place In The Sun" which was started by the original drummer of The Four Seasons. The James Gang and several other Rock bands in the early 70s played there.


The town was Vineland and its the largest city in Jersey ..not in population , but in measurement. There wasn't a lot of housing development...just a lot of wooded areas . There were groups of pthat practiced Black Magick. They called themselves witches, but they were not witches of earth magic or nature. At Menantico..which wasn't far from my house a ritualistic killing took place. Police had information that it was a considerably large group of people involved although only 2 people were convicted of the murder. They wore robes, masks, chanted, and pounded on oil barrels.

Police interrogated a wealthy organization which has been described as a kind of Bohemian Grove style gathering. Many people insist that this was an introduction to the Satanic Panic scare of the 70s and 80s. It isn't. There's no reason to believe any of that. The incident is discussed in the first 10 minutes of the film Menantico Blues which is free on You Tube.

The music of the times which was mainly Progressive Rock in our area had little to do with why the area was corrupted with cultic activity. It was a strange place to live. Progressive Rock was an escape for the youth.
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Yep I originally kept the details of my music collection on handwritten filecards. I'd got the original idea from spending lunchtimes helping out my school's library in the early 70's, when of course every book had its own filecard. Long before computerised systems had been devised!


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^Wow, ambitious. I haven't taken it to the track point.
Back when I used file cards (remember those days?) I listed the tracks on the cards. Of course I had far fewer LP's in those days.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Progishness Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 03 2022 at 07:36
Totally with you on using Excel (or other spreadsheet app) for databases like that - as I have done for my detailed Pink Floyd Songs list. [Useful for sorting by column too.] Red squares denote that I have added relevant comments.

A snapshot:


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Originally posted by enigmatic enigmatic wrote:

Originally posted by Progishness Progishness wrote:


As Roger Waters once commented, all that matters is whether a song moves you (or not).

That's exactly how I know I am listening to progressive rock because it moves me certain way. No other music (with some exceptions) moves me that way.
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Hi,

It's easy for RW to say something like that when he doesn't care anymore if anyone listens or is moved by his music or what he has to say about anything, including the plumbing in Saturn!

The bad/hard part of all this, is like saying that a song can "move" you, but a Symphony can't. We might as well say that the opening of Strauss' opus piece is a great song, and the rest is schit! And, c'mon, that is a gross problem in terms of what music is and could be, and how it works or not.

Music, in many circles, DID OT MOVE anyone or anything for a long time, and all of a sudden, it moves everyone ... there goes RW's premise ... not to mention that as time goes by we end up getting "ear tuned" to a lot of things that we could not get into yesterday or years ago. 

In the end, I think that RW said that just to get past the person interviewing him, and making it look like he said something important, which a "radio fart person" would immediately jump on and say that all the biggest hits were like that ... same  thing as saying that no other music could EVER/POSSIBLY move you like that one ... that's just so much crock ... it's ridiculous. 

Please pay attention to how he says it ... and obviously Roger's music is not moving a lot of people these days either, since he is living off the PF payouts. Sorry ... he's just another rich fart out there that doesn't care anymore ... period ... and his words are fake and plastic!
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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

I guess, your choice of the snip wasn't arbitrary, JD. Tongue
You are absolutely correct ! Thumbs Up
But as you can see, I still have plenty of play grading to do, although 85% of my collection is original bought by me so I know it's mostly NM/NM.
Speaking of which...I hate the grading that Discogs uses.
I would prefer:
M = Mint (sealed, never opened)
MC = Mint condition (opened, but plays just like new)
NM = Near Mint (a very few instances, less than 5 over the whole album, of low level surface noise on lead-in/out or in-betweens)
VG+ = Less than 4 instances of low level surface noise on quiet sections of actual tracks)
VG = (more than 4 instances of low level surface noise on quiet sections of tracks)
VG- = (Less than 4 instances of higher level surface noise on any tracks)
G = Any album with a single loud tick pop or skip anywhere on the album no matter how good the condition is other wise)

Anything worse than that isn't worth having in my collection.
But that's just me.



Edited by JD - February 03 2022 at 07:37
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