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    Posted: May 26 2022 at 18:23
There are certain singers that are too unfamiliar to the listener that it seems to annoy them. However, one you managed to take it in, then the music is a thrill to hear. I was thinking:

The obvious Peter Hammill - His voice sounds very theatrical and is like a character, and this made it rather difficult while listening to VDGG. However, now I think his voice is cool and the instrumental accompaniment is great too. However, I still sort of think most the songs by them sound similar to one another. 

Joanna Newsom - Her voice makes me think of Luanne Platter from King of the Hill and Sandy Cheeks from Spongebob. I can live with the voice, because I like the instrumental backdrop here as well. 

Thom Yorke - I do not like his voice very much, as it sounds a bit whiny. I am not very into alternative rock very much either. I feel that he might be an acquired taste for me at least. 

Derek Shulman - Acquiring the Taste. He actually sounds quite accessible. Just here for the pun.

Magma - Their more pretentious than ELP with their "language". 

Bernardo Lanzetti - Sounds like Peter Gabriel when speaking english. I wonder what Chocolate Kings would have sounded like if Franco Mussida and the rest of PFM did vocals on that album instead. 

Stefano "Lupo" Galifi - Museo Rosenbach's vocalist sounds scratchy when I hear him. "Vivo, SUPERUOMOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!"

Francesco Di Giacomo - For others, because of his operatic voice, but I always loved his voice. One of the only times where I want him to keep going. 

Jon Anderson - Sometimes, I love his vocal parts, but sometimes, they drive me mad, 
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Frank Bornemann of Eloy because of his horrible German accent. why do they not sing in German?


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Rick Rodenbaugh. Paul Williams.  Geddy Lee pre-1980.





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Originally posted by SuperMetro SuperMetro wrote:

Joanna Newsom - Her voice makes me think of Luanne Platter from King of the Hill and Sandy Cheeks from Spongebob. I can live with the voice, because I like the instrumental backdrop here as well.
But her voice has matured quite a bit over the years, don't you think?
Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

Frank Bornemann of Eloy because of his horrible German accent. why do they not sing in German?
It's a taste I will never acquire. But I'm quite certain I could have enjoyed them more if sung in german.
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Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

Frank Bornemann of Eloy because of his horrible German accent. why do they not sing in German?


I could say the same thing about Jürgen Fritz of Triumvirat
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Originally posted by SuperMetro SuperMetro wrote:


Magma - Their more pretentious than ELP with their "language". 



What a load of crap!  Greg Lake, Christian Vander and Klaus Blasquiz are all brilliant.
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Efrim Menuck, from A Silver Mt. Zion (in all of their incarnations). It took me some time to get used to his voice, but it suits the music so well...


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Fish could be challenging for some people, but not for me..

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I didn't have a hard time enjoying Roger Wootton vocals in Comus, but I remember another who did end up liking Comus who found that aspect a challenge, at least at first. I did have issues with Peter Hammill's vocals at times, especially when I first started exploring he music. Not considered prog generally (to me some of the music is), but Nina Hagen is one that might take some getting used to by some: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-GVjChyMew "Naturträne" is awesome. Demetrio Stratos of Area is one that I have heard someone saying that they were annoyed with, but I think his vocals are brilliant (I love Area).

As for Magma, I could imagine more people having an issue with Vander's vocals than, say, Klaus Blasquiz and Stella Vander. That it is sung in a made up language hasn't adversely affected my appreciation as I tend to treat the vocals as another instrument, commonly listen to music in languages that I don't know or know well, and I like instrumental music.

I love Vanders vocals. This is favourite of mine from him from offering: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2W5UiYmUfQo

And here with Magma's Otis we find a song that has been much laughed about: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_OQNptgv7g It has amused me; great fun. I think it was with his Magma "Hhai" that I really fell for his voice. It provides a colour of Magma that I would not want to be without. Of course some do not only take issues with his vocals, but with singing in a made-up language. I think Magma would be likely to appeal more to the more open-minded of listeners and certainly those who appreciate quirkiness and are less conservative and mainstream in their tastes.

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The most obvious:
Peter Hammill
Geddy Lee (pre-PW)

Not mentioned yet:
David Surkamp (Pavlov's Dog)
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^ David Surkamp is often compared to Geddy Lee, but I prefer Surkamp's vocals. I like the helium-like qualities. I actually might prefer the more abrasive early Geddy Lee on things like bastille Day to later Geddy Lee, where I find him (and the music generally) quite dull and safe.
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I would say Geddy on early Rush albums. He calmed on Permanent Waves and Signals.
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Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

Frank Bornemann of Eloy because of his horrible German accent. why do they not sing in German?

Frank is rather a "disacquired" taste for me. I loved him as a singer when I was much younger (and wasn't very good in English), later not only the accent but his general way of singing started to annoy me. I have made my peace with his singing on some albums though in the meantime. The accent should bother me (as a German I tend to hate strong German accents) but in fact it doesn't that much because I'm not normally interested in lyrics, not in Eloy's anyway. (If it were different, I'd probably say the accent annoys me less than some of their lyrics...)


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Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

Paul Di'Anno

why would Paul Di'Anno be an acquired taste, hard to get into? 


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By the way, my default interpretation of having a singer listed here would be that the person who names them has now acquired the taste, appreciates the singer now, and so the listing actually is something positive. (This is the case with me & Peter Hammill for example, and Demetrio Stratos.)

But it seems some just list singers they don't like!?
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Originally posted by SuperMetro SuperMetro wrote:

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The obvious Peter Hammill - His voice sounds very theatrical and is like a character, and this made it rather difficult while listening to VDGG. However, now I think his voice is cool and the instrumental accompaniment is great too. However, I still sort of think most the songs by them sound similar to one another. 
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Hi,

I'm not sure that this is a fair statement. If you look at actors, and actresses, they all "sound similar to themselves" in many films, or productions. You can easily point out details. And that's not like saying that Tom Cruise is not an exact copy of his other characters, which for my tastes he is!

Acting, is a dangerous profession in progressive music, and something that many folks don't like, and take offense to. For once, the lyrics sound stronger to make a point, and not just like so many insipid lyrics in so much progressive music, that (in general) are about not a whole lot, and the emotional content is questionable at best! You can scream anytime, but WHERE and WHEN it was done makes ALL THE DIFFERENCE IN THE WORLD ... but you might not be seeing or understanding that!

The other issue with this statement is that it has a tendency to separate people that don't sound "right" to all the notes and ideas in OUR heads! And this was a very bad thing in the early days, when Joe Cocker was either loved or hated, only to find out later, that he meant it ... and just like him Roger Chapman, immediately launched into "Good News, Bad News" and pretty much told everyone to duck off! We never forgot their voices after that, and both of them became phenomenal singers with incredible touches.

Oh, or you can quote Mr. Meatloaf ... "I'm an actor that just happens to sing. What's your problem?"

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Magma - Their more pretentious than ELP with their "language". 
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This is really sad, because you are saying that to one of the most original of all bands out there, that along the way, even started several other styles off its own work ...which obviously is meaningless to you.

The problem here is not their language ... it is that they are not telling you in insipid terms and lyrics what it all means, and this makes you, and many a progressive fan, angry ... how dare someone hide what they are saying from me, kind of thing. You have to own up to that feeling. 

MAGMA, may be special, personal or independent, but indifferent they are not, and it shows in the quality and the beauty of their shows, many of which have been suggested by many here as a sort of religious experience, for being so strong and emotional ... guess what ... that is exactly what most progressive and prog music is lacking!

ELP was NOT PRETENTIOUS. It was what was required at the time to make a point and it helped the record companies blow out the LP markets with massive sales. Even the movie studios had never thought of that before, specially since they owned almost every thing music related into the 60's by a very long mile!

What is more pretentious is your view that it is. It never dawned on you that TARKUS is a magnificent piano concerto because you think how it was done was pretentious ... tell you what ... Mr. Curry and Cape is much more pretentious almost doing the same riff on a different synthesizer ... and you can't say that about KE at all. But you don't seem to appreciate the MUSIC behind it all ... it's just that those folks are too shiny for your eyes, and the fake ones that you like!

Originally posted by SuperMetro SuperMetro wrote:

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Bernardo Lanzetti - Sounds like Peter Gabriel when speaking english. I wonder what Chocolate Kings would have sounded like if Franco Mussida and the rest of PFM did vocals on that album instead. 
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Sad thing to say ... there are many languages around the world, and folks all sound different, and Bernardo was not bad, and his previous band had two VERY NICE albums, that you probably have not heard. They were very good. (Acqua Fragile).

I don't think that it was exactly a bad combination, but the melodic, and more cinematic stuff that PFM had in its early days, were all of a sudden replaced by a singer that could sing, but sadly, this was not exactly what PFM was about, despite their neat and far out vocal gymnastics that were likely to be seen as having fun, a lot more than they were to "be serious". Bernardo, all of a sudden, made the band sound much more "serious" than before, and I think that two changes made it tougher to the regular listeners from the start. I don't have an answer for that, but the last Bernardo solo album had a singe released that was really bad, and a horrible choice for someone that did some beautiful things, including some with PFM, that are not appreciated.

Originally posted by SuperMetro SuperMetro wrote:

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Francesco Di Giacomo - For others, because of his operatic voice, but I always loved his voice. One of the only times where I want him to keep going. 
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I am not sure that BANCO would have become as strong as it did without him. Sadly, after his passing, the stuff that BANCO has done through Vittorio is nice, and interesting, but few people have taken to it, and my thoughts on hearing that double album was ... one piece is very nice, the next piece forgettable, and I find it strange that they themselves did not see that. But his voice, was outstanding, and really was wonderful to listen to.

Originally posted by SuperMetro SuperMetro wrote:

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Jon Anderson - Sometimes, I love his vocal parts, but sometimes, they drive me mad, 
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Not going to disagree, but I think that a lot of it is about how he feels about things deeply and how meaningful they are to bring across properly. I find the regular rehashes of so many "hits" utterly boring and without soul and I can hear TFTO and see him shine, and then see him do Pt1 with a super group and it was also shining ... so for me it was about the quality of the work and what it meant to him, and at that point I think that "hits" were nice and appreciated, and he will do them, but as time goes by, they likely have even less feeling behind it.

The main thoughts I had, though, was that this person that had a nice voice, was not exactly as with it as he made it look like to so many, and his hipness was more of a show than it was meaningful for you and I! And I don't know if that is the difference, as I have not met him, or had a chance to ask, which I certainly would.

I wonder how "hurt" he got from not being able to do the stuff he really wanted ... he wanted Vangelis to replace Mr. Cape and Curry, and didn't get it. The next album of his (his 1st solo) was to be him and Vangelis and he was "replaced" even though it sounds just like him on the album. And later, likely a record company arm twisting tactic to sell a few things, to create "songs" with Vangelis, and the albums did fine and well, but they were not the great things that were done else where. You can see/hear some of the supreme moments in H&H, which would have been a YES record with Vangelis in tow!

I'm pretty sure that if anyone is taking a few days off this week, it would be the passing of the one person he seems to have appreciated the most that just passed away. I'm sure it will leave him with some tears, and a few more lyrics!


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Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

Frank Bornemann of Eloy because of his horrible German accent. why do they not sing in German?

This ^

It really jars and serves as a distraction.
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