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Originally posted by Steve Wyzard Steve Wyzard wrote:

Shouldn't Kate Bush's "The Ninth Wave" (26:21) also be included? It's the complete second side from the Hounds of Love album (1985).
I thought maybe it's because the OP was omitting tracks that are broken up into several smaller tracks that, together, form the suite/epic. Hence the absence of Spock's Beard's "A Guy Named Sid." But Haken's "Messiah Complex," TFK's "Garden of Dreams," and DT's "Six Degrees..." are there so... I don't know. With that many, a few are bound to be missed.
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Originally posted by progaardvark progaardvark wrote:

Wow, 96 hours and 44 minutes! Four straight days! This sounds like a job for Paul!

Anyway, I think your definitions (or boundaries) are quite suitable. Others have already noted that epics can be shorter than 15 minutes and some songs that reach the boundary aren't actually epics. It just complicates things, so an arbitrary time limit seems more than reasonable to me, otherwise your list could get quite out of hand and you may end up with a playlist that may take thousands of hours to listen to. Great job!
Everyone is free to do as they please, but an actual definition of "epic" should be a little more complicated than something that lasts for 15 minutes or more. That just tells you it's a track that lasts long. Nothing more. One can say that a song is of epic length, but 16 minutes of bleeping sounds doesn't make for an epic.
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Wow, 96 hours and 44 minutes! Four straight days! This sounds like a job for Paul!

Anyway, I think your definitions (or boundaries) are quite suitable. Others have already noted that epics can be shorter than 15 minutes and some songs that reach the boundary aren't actually epics. It just complicates things, so an arbitrary time limit seems more than reasonable to me, otherwise your list could get quite out of hand and you may end up with a playlist that may take thousands of hours to listen to. Great job!
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Nice project. I see it differently though. To me under ten minutes long songs such as King Crimson's In the Court... and Epitaph are both epic, while Can's Aumgn isn't. But never mind. Length obviously playss some part. The first I though was missing by following your rules was:

Jethro Tull - Baker St. Muse (16.40)

+ here's some suggestions:

Vortex - Les Cycles De Thanatos (25:13)
Univers Zero - La Faulx (25:02)
Heldon - Bolero (21:47)
Dashiell Hedayat - Cielo Drive 17 (21:09)
Supersister - Pudding En Gisteren (20:59)
Ash Ra Tempel - Amboss (19:52)
Forgas - Cocktail (19:04)
Popol Vuh - Bruder des Schattens-Sone Des Licht (18:49)
The Pentangle - Jack Orion (18:38)
Kraan - Head (18:37)
Catherine Ribeiro + Alpes - Poème Non Épique (18:37)
Earth & Fire - Song Of The Marching Children (18:25)
King Gizzard And The Lizard Wizard - The Dripping Tap (18:17)
Roy Harper - Mc Goohan's Blues (17:55)
Morte Macabre - Symphonic Holocaust (17:51)
Dionne-Bregent - Le Prophete (17:49)
Mia - Cornonstipicum (17:43)
Brave New World - The End (17:42)
Art Zoyd - Musique Pour L'odyssee (17:07)
Art Zoyd - - La Ville (16:51)
Secret Chiefs 3: Ishraqiyun - Perichoresis (16:48)
Bo Hansson - Born In The Gentle South (16:35)
Artcane - Artcane 1 (16:18)
Embryo - Ticket to India (16:00)
Guapo - King Lindorm (15:41)
Embryo - Entrances (15:39)
Moving Gelatine Plates - Last Song (15:26)
Present - Le Poison Qui Rend Fou, Part I: Ram Ram Va Faire 'Pif Paf' (15:24)
Art Zoyd - Chemins De Lumiere (15:21)
Vangelis - The Dragon (15:18)
Univers Zero - Ronde (15:12)
Il Balletto de Bronzo - Introduzione (15:11)
Supersister - Energy (15:01)
Deuter - Babylon (15:00)

Plus loads of additional Jazz Rock-Fusion & loads Klaus Schulze + more obscure Progressive Electronic, if you want those kind of suggestions. You don't seem be including Post-Rock, so I skipped them.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Steve Wyzard Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 03 2023 at 12:53
Shouldn't Kate Bush's "The Ninth Wave" (26:21) also be included? It's the complete second side from the Hounds of Love album (1985).
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Hi,

I was thinking that Klaus Schulze could put a serious dent in the LENGTH of things ... and he was doing these very long pieces very early in the 70's.

The WORKS series has impossibly long stuff ... 


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Cool project. Here are some more.

Pat Metheny Group "The Way Up" (68:07).

Not in PA top 250, yet epic.

Echolyn "A Suite For the Everyman" (28:13)

The Psychedelic Ensemble "Tale of the Golden King" (72:11)
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Hello again, everyone! I have a compulsion of sorts to create random stat-based lists that are subsequently turned into Spotify playlists (see my past threads Top 300 Prog Rock Tracks (based on RYM ratings) or Top 500 Prog Metal Tracks (based on RYM ratings)), and this time it has taken me to creating a list of all epic songs by every band featured in ProgArchives' top 250 albums with at least 500 ratings.

While the theme was self-explanatory, I had to come up with an answer to these three deceptively simple questions to even begin working on the list:

- What is an epic?
There's no single answer! Some songs get more done within a shorter length than much longer tracks, yet it seemed like length would be the simplest metric to uphold. A quick Google search for how long an epic needs to be got me to this very website's forums, where the most common response in the poll was over 15 minutes. This is exactly what I used as the cutoff line. This means Yes has 7 songs in the playlist, Genesis and King Crimson have 1 each and Pink Floyd has 4 for instance.

- What is prog?
Again, some kind of metric was expected, so I went with the ProgArchives database and the tags over at RateYourMusic to decide what would and what wouldn't make the list. For instance, Devin Townsend and Porcupine Tree both have prog-unrelated ambient tracks above 15 mins that I excluded for that reason. I don't personally feel Tangerine Dream until after Phaedra is prog, but the tag over at RYM says 'Progressive Electronic', so I followed the rules I'd established myself. I generally relied on tags where I clearly lacked knowledge of a given artist's ouevre, but there may still be rough imperfections that with some cooperative work could be alleviated.

- What is a song?
Another question that makes me sound braindead, without which the idea cannot really be adequately fulfilled. Is Shine On You Crazy Diamond a single song or two? What about Dream Theater's Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence? Knowing more about the artist's intention each individual case would surely help, and I mostly used my intuition to see it through, so in some cases it's a bit arbitrary.


Here comes the full list. 259 epics total by 73 unique artists, with the Spotify playlist reaching 96 hours 44 minutes in running time.

No. of Songs Band Song
7 Yes  Close to the Edge 
    The Revealing Science of God (Dance of the Dawn) 
    The Remembering (High the Memory) 
    The Ancient / Giants Under the Sun 
    Ritual (Nous Sommes du Soleil) 
    The Gates of Delirium 
    Awaken 
1 Genesis Supper's Ready 
4 Pink Floyd  Atom Heart Mother Suite 
    Echoes 
    Shine On You Crazy Diamond
    Dogs 
1 King Crimson  Lizard 
2 Jethro Tull  Thick as a Brick 
    A Passion Play 
3 Van Der Graaf Generator  A Plague Of Lighthouse Keepers 
    Meurglys III (The Songwriters Guild) 
    Squid/Octopus 
3 Rush  The Fountain Of Lamneth 
    2112
    Cygnus X-1 Book II: Hemispheres 
2 Banco Del Mutuo Soccorso  Il giardino del mago 
    Canto nomade per un prigioniero politico 
3 Änglagård Höstsejd
    Ur vilande 
    Snårdom 
4 Frank Zappa Abnuceals Emuukha Electric Symphony Orchestra And Chorus 
    The Mothers Of Invention | The Little House I Used To Live In 
    Big Swifty 
    The Adventures Of Greggery Peccary 
1 Harmonium  Histoires Sans Paroles 
5 Wobbler  Hinterland 
    Clair Obscur 
    Imperial Winter White 
    From Silence to Somewhere 
    Merry Macabre 
2 Caravan  Nine Feet Underground 
    The Dabsong Conshirtoe 
1 Renaissance  Song of Scheherazade 
1 Supertramp  Brother Where You Bound 
7 Dream Theater  A Change of Seasons 
    Octavarium 
    Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence
    In the Presence of Enemies 
    The Count of Tuscany 
    Illumination Theory 
    A View from the Top of the World 
1 Museo Rosenbach  Zarathustra
1 Steven Wilson  Raider II 
2 Peter Hammill  Gog Magog (In Bromine Chambers) 
    Flight 
9 Mike Oldfield Tubular Bells 
    Hergest Ridge 
    Ommadawn 
    Incantations 
    Taurus II 
    Crises 
    Amarok 
    Music From The Balcony 
    Return To Ommadawn
7 Porcupine Tree  Phase I 
    Phase II 
    Phase III 
    Phase IV 
    The Sky Moves Sideways 
    Moon Loop (Improvisation) 
    Anesthetize 
1 Opeth  Black Rose Immortal 
1 Mahavishnu Orchestra Hymn to Him (with London Symphony Orchestra) 
8 Magma  Riah sahiltaahk 
    Kohntarkosz
    Köhntark
    Mëkanïk zaïn 
    De futura 
    K.a 
    Ëmëhntëhtt-Ré 
    Zess (Le jour du néant)
1 Robert Wyatt  The Animals' Film 
1 Chick Corea  Sometime Ago / La Fiesta 
5 Marillion  Grendel 
    This Strange Engine 
    Ocean Cloud 
    Interior Lulu 
    Gaza 
2 All Traps On Earth  All Traps on Earth 
    Magmatic Warning 
1 Hatfield & The North  Mumps
3 Focus  Eruption 
    Anonymus Two 
    Hamburger Concerto 
2 Edge Of Sanity  Crimson 
    Crimson II 
2 Emerson, Lake & Palmer  Tarkus 
    Karn Evil 9 
1 Riverside  Second Life Syndrome 
7 IQ  The Last Human Gateway 
    The Narrow Margin 
    Harvest Of Souls 
    Without Walls 
    For Another Lifetime 
    The Great Spirit Way 
    Fallout 
1 Bubu  El Cortejo de un Día Amarillo 
1 Pain of Salvation  The Passing Light of Day 
1 Il Balletto di Bronzo  Introduzione 
1 TOOL  7empest 
15 Tangerine Dream  Alpha Centauri 
    Birth of Liquid Plejades 
    Nebulous Dawn 
    Origin of Supernatural Probabilities 
    Zeit 
    Atem 
    Phaedra 
    Rubycon 
    Madrigal Meridian 
    Force Majeure 
    Tangram 
    Mojave Plan 
    Sphinx Lightning 
    Green Desert 
    Livemiles 
3 Phideaux  Chupacabras 
    Waiting For the Axe To Fall 
    Snowtorch 
6 Big Big Train  The Underfall Yard 
    The Wide Open Sea 
    East Coast Racer 
    A Mead Hall in Winter 
    Brooklands Sequence 
    Atlantic Cable 
2 Eloy  Land Of No Body 
    Atlantis' Agony At June 5th, 8498, 13 p.m. Gregorian Earthtime 
4 Haken  Celestial Elixir 
    Visions 
    The Architect (feat. Einar Solberg) 
    Messiah Complex 
2 The Mars Volta  Cassandra Gemini 
    Tetragrammaton 
8 Transatlantic  All of the Above 
    My New World 
    In Held ('Twas) in I 
    Duel with the Devil 
    Stranger in Your Soul 
    The Whirlwind
    Into the Blue 
    Kaleidoscope 
3 Discipline.  Into the Dream 
    Before the Storm 
    Rogue 
12 Motorpsycho  Demon Box 
    The Wheel 
    JAGA JAZZIST HORNS 
    Suite: Little Lucid Moments 
    Gullible's Travails 
    Through the Veil 
    Ratcatcher 
    Big Black Dog 
    A Pacific Sonata 
    The Crucible 
    N.O.X. IV: Night of Pan 
    Chariot Of The Sun 
4 Soft Machine  Facelift 
    Slightly All The Time 
    Moon In June 
    Out-Bloody-Rageous 
1 Uriah Heep  Salisbury 
12 Neal Morse  A Whole Nother Trip
    The Creation 
    The Separated Man 
    The Door 
    The Conflict 
    The Conclusion 
    So Many Roads
    Seeds of Gold 
    World Without End 
    Alive Again 
    Not Afraid, Pt. 2 
    Beyond the Years 
5 Beardfish  Sleeping In Traffic 
    Until You Comply/Entropy 
    And the Stone Said: If I Could Speak 
    Note 
    If We Must Be Apart (A Love Story Continued) 
1 Devin Townsend  Singularity 
8 Spock's Beard  The Light 
    The Water 
    Time Has Come 
    Flow 
    At The End Of The Day 
    The Great Nothing 
    From The Darkness 
    Jaws Of Heaven 
1 Comus  The Malgaard Suite - Live in 1972 
6 Sylvan  A Fairytale Ending 
    Artificial Paradise 
    Chapter 2: Share the World with Me 
    Chapter 3: The Words You Hide 
    Chapter 4: The Waters I Traveled 
    Chapter 5: Farewell to Old Friends 
1 Kate Bush  An Endless Sky Of Honey 
2 Gryphon  Midnight Mushrumps 
    (Ein Klein) Heldenleben 
2 Symphony X  The Divine Wings of Tragedy 
    The Odyssey 
4 Moon Safari  We Spin the World 
    Methuselah's Children 
    Other Half of the Sky 
    Lover's End Pt. III: Skellefteå Serenade 
2 Arena  Moviedrome 
    The Legend of Elijah Shade 
3 Gazpacho  Dream of Stone 
    Space Cowboy 
    Sapien 
3 Liquid Tension Experiment Three Minute Warning 
    When the Water Breaks 
    Ya Mon 
7 CAN  You Doo Right 
    Halleluhwah 
    Aumgn 
    Bel Air 
    Animal Waves 
    Cutaway 
    Graublau 
6 Amon Düül II  Phallus Dei 
    Yeti 
    Syntelman's March of the Roaring Seventies 
    Restless Skylight-Transistor-Child 
    Chamsin: The Marilyn Monroe-Meomorial-Church 
    Tatzelwurmloch 
1 Hawkwind  You Shouldn't Do That 
2 Nektar  A Tab in the Ocean 
    Remember The Future
1 The Alan Parsons Project The Turn of a Friendly Card 
10 The Flower Kings  Stardust We Are 
    Garden of Dreams 
    I Am the Sun
    The Truth Will Set You Free 
    Devil's Playground 
    Love Supreme 
    Driver's Seat 
    Monsters & Men 
    Love Is the Only Answer 
    Numbers 
2 Karmakanic  Send a Message From the Heart 
    Dot_God the Universe and Everything Else No One Really Cares About, Pt. I 
4 Pendragon  Not Of This World
    World's End
    The Wishing Well 
    Comatose 
4 Anubis  Disinfected and Abused 
    The Passing Bell 
    A Room with a View 
    Pages of Stone 
3 Echolyn  Mei 
    Shades 
    Island 
2 Comedy of Errors  Wonderland 
    Summer Lies Beyond 

Here are the Band Rankings according to the number of epics they are represented by on the list:

15 Tangerine Dream
12 Motorpsycho, Neal Morse
10 The Flower Kings
9 Mike Oldfield
8 Magma, Transatlantic, Spock's Beard
7 Yes, Dream Theater, Porcupine Tree, IQ, CAN
6 Big Big Train, Sylvan, Amon Düül II
5 Wobbler, Marillion, Beardfish
4 Pink Floyd, Frank Zappa, Haken, Soft Machine, Moon Safari, Pendragon, Anubis
3 Van Der Graaf Generator, Rush, Änglagård, Focus, Phideaux, Discipline., Gazpacho, Liquid Tension Experiment, Echolyn
2 Jethro Tull, Banco Del Mutuo Soccorso, Caravan, Peter Hammill, All Traps On Earth, Edge Of Sanity, Emerson, Lake & Palmer, Eloy, The Mars Volta, Gryphon, Symphony X, Arena, Nektar, Karmakanic, Comedy of Errors
1 Genesis, King Crimson, Harmonium, Renaissance, Supertramp, Museo Rosenbach, Steven Wilson, Opeth, Mahavishnu Orchestra, Robert Wyatt, Chick Corea, Hatfield & The North, Riverside, Bubu, Pain of Salvation, Il Balletto di Bronzo, TOOL, Uriah Heep, Devin Townsend, Comus, Kate Bush, Hawkwind, The Alan Parsons Project

And to top it off, have a Top 30 Longest Prog Epics!

1.    77:00 Transatlantic – The Whirlwind
2.    72:00 Mile Oldfield - Incantations
3.    59:26 The Flower Kings - Garden of Dreams
4.    57:04 Tangerine Dream – Livemiles
5.    49:28 Echolyn - Mei
6.    49:18 Mile Oldfield - Tubular Bells
7.    48:49 Magma - K.a
8.    46:21 Magma - Ëmëhntëhtt-Ré
9.    45:06 Jethro Tull - A Passion Play
10.    43:50 Jethro Tull - Thick as a Brick
11.    43:00 Edge of Sanity – Crimson II
12.    42:09 Mile Oldfield - Return To Ommadawn
13.    42:05 Kate Bush – An Endless Sky of Honey
14.    42:02 Dream Theater - Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence
15.    40:19 Tangerine Dream – Tangram
16.    40:00 Edge of Sanity – Crimson
17.    38:09 Mile Oldfield - Hergest Ridge
18.    37:57 Magma - Zess (Le jour du néant)
19.    36:25 Mile Oldfield - Ommadawn
20.    36:12 Phideaux – Snowtorch
21.    35:44 Beardfish – Sleeping in Traffic
22.    35:40 Nektar – Remember the Future
23.    35:32 Porcupine Tree - The Sky Moves Sideways
24.    34:58 Tangerine Dream – Rubycon
25.    33:38 Neal Morse – World Without End
26.    32:32 The Mars Volta – Cassandra Gemini
27.    31:54 Transatlantic - Kaleidoscope
28.    31:45 Frank Zappa - Abnuceals Emuukha Electric Symphony Orchestra And Chorus
29.    31:44 Moon Safari – Other Half of the Sky
30.    31:28 Magma – Kohntarkosz

I hope any of the resources above can be of some use, and I'm curious what possible improvements to the list could be welcome.

One thing on my to-do list at present would be to continue the list with other bands' epics. Say, why exactly do Comedy of Errors and Anubis have representation on the list but Collage and La Maschera Di Cera don't? An exhaustive list of every notable prog epic ever recorded would be great to have sometime down the line.

I'm digging the playlist generated as a result of this project, and I'll be looking to correct or consider correcting some of the inconsistancies that no doubt permeate the list based on what is pointed out in this thread.



Edited by Trickster F. - July 14 2023 at 23:37
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