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Originally posted by M27Barney M27Barney wrote:

Anything subjective has to be rejected. To be boringly scientific, we need a set of objective criteria that a track must demonstrate before it can be considered epic...

Objectivity does not exist, imho. But, if we want a more scientific approach we have to dive into literary history and theory. In the Penguin Dictionary of Literary Terms and Literary Theory the entry for "epic" covers about 8 pages. It starts like this: "An epic is a long narrative poem, on a grand scale, about the deeds of warriors and heroes. It is a polygonal, 'heroic' story incorporating myth, legend, folk tale and history."
And a bit further: "Ultimately epic aspires to grandeur of no common sort; to a state where men transcend their human limitations and, for a time at least, become more obviously in the image of God-like creatures."

So, it originated with epic poetry (historically one of the three literary genres, with lyrical poetry and drama). And was adapted to music and cinema only much later.
In essence, I think it comes to what Logan said already early in this thread. It is mainly about the narrative quality and scope, and in general you need time to develop a heroic narrative, hence the length (of epic poems and) of epic songs.

Maybe time to make a thread "what's the shortest epic song?"... Wink


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"Epic" as an adjective is derived from "epos" or "epopee", right? So, if we take "epos" definition from Wiki (duh), we read:
a lengthy narrative poem, ordinarily involving a time beyond living memory in which occurred the extraordinary doings of the extraordinary men and women who, in dealings with the gods or other superhuman forces, gave shape to the mortal universe for their descendants, the poet and his audience, to understand themselves as a people or nation.

If I were to translate it to "prog rock terms", these would be criteria:
  • long - at least a novella (or novel) size work. How does it translate to rock music? I think everyone has a different view on this one, but we all agree that 3-4 minutes (radio format) is too short to be "epic". Anything longer - 8, 10, 12, 20 minutes - is a fair game imo;
  • narrative - like in a novel, short story, fable, legend, anecdote, satire etc., contrary to poetry which has a "lyrical subject". I believe most songs are akin to poetry -> maybe that's why we have "lyrics" on the back cover. When it comes to prog, it could be boiled down to "presenting a story";
  • *usually* involving times beyond living memory - I'd say it's optional, although many "prog epics" tend to deal with or invoke ancient times. Cnut the Great story retold in "Can-Utility and the Coastliners" is a good example;
  • extraordinary doings - extraordinary men - dealings with gods - it has to be said that "epopee" is an ancient literary genre, so works dealing with myths/beliefs/heroes naturally were of utmost importance and reached the most "magnificent", "dignified" levels. I don't think this criterion translates well to prog rock. Certainly we have examples of that ("Cygnus X-1", "The Fountain of Salmacis", "Grendel"), but it's far from mandatory;
  • to understand themselves as a people or nation - this one is more relevant as prog epics tend to deal with "important matters", whatever they may be. It certainly helps with building up the song's "grandiosity", right? For Pink Floyd it was social issues ("Dogs"), for Yes - spirituality ("The Remembering"), Pete Sinfield talked about us being alone in this life ("Islands"), and Ian Anderson looked closely on afterlife ("A Passion Play"). Everyone knows dozens of these examples.
When it comes to lyrical content of "prog epic" it certainly escapes all narrow definitions. Jon Anderson often used words that simply sounded right for the occasion; "Close to the Edge" isn't really narrative, for example. So I don't know if my writeup is very helpful, but maybe we could start from there.
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Even if we agree on the terms that describe it, are there characteristics that bands also tend to use when expressing long themes?

Are mixed meter and time signature changes required?

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Originally posted by Frenetic Zetetic Frenetic Zetetic wrote:

Even if we agree on the terms that describe it, are there characteristics that bands also tend to use when expressing long themes?

Are mixed meter and time signature changes required?

I don't think so. These two can point in "progressive" direction somewhat, but have little to do with "Epicness", whatever that means (if we ever find out). I bet there is a good number of prog epics played 4/4 throughout.

Side question: is "Anesthetize" a prog epic? I vote No, but I'm curious to hear you thoughts.
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Extended length is not a requirement for me. If I take a song like Echoes, perhaps my favorite song by Floyd, I have a hard time placing it in the "epic" category as it doesn't hit me on a deep emotional level by making a grand lyrical statement. Either by revealing some deep seated truth or fostering a sense of catharsis, the song lacks both elements. Others may feel a musical intimation of these qualities, which is fine as that's what music is supposed to do, but the song does not have that effect on me. So a long 20+ minute song does not always fit the bill. At least to me.

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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Extended length is not a requirement for me. If I take a song like Echoes, perhaps my favorite song by Floyd, I have a hard time placing it in the "epic" category as it doesn't hit me on a deep emotional level by making a grand lyrical statement. Either by revealing some deep seated truth or fostering a sense of catharsis, the song lacks both elements. Others may feel a musical intimation of these qualities, which is fine as that's what music is supposed to do, but the song does not have that effect on me. So a long 20+ minute song does not always fit the bill. At least to me.


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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Extended length is not a requirement for me. If I take a song like Echoes, perhaps my favorite song by Floyd, I have a hard time placing it in the "epic" category as it doesn't hit me on a deep emotional level by making a grand lyrical statement. Either by revealing some deep seated truth or fostering a sense of catharsis, the song lacks both elements. Others may feel a musical intimation of these qualities, which is fine as that's what music is supposed to do, but the song does not have that effect on me. So a long 20+ minute song does not always fit the bill. At least to me.

I agree. The lyricism of a piece enables the epic nature of a composition. I would not consider 20 minutes of musical noodling "epic". An instrumental is an instrumental. Or as Rudyard Kipling once said, "a woman is only a woman, but a good cigar is a smoke." Which actually has nothing to do with what I'm talking about, save the quote is from a poem.

Epic, noun: 1. noting or pertaining to a long poetic composition, usually centered upon a hero, in which a series of great achievements or events is narrated in elevated style. 2. heroic; majestic; impressively great.

So, there should be a poetic narrative, and the music should have a majestic quality. The song should be longish, but 15 or 20 minutes should not be the end-all, be-all that makes it epic. There are plenty of 7 or 8 minute-long rock songs I would consider epic, that have narratives and where the music is suitably "majestic" in nature.


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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:


Extended length is not a requirement for me. If I take a song like Echoes, perhaps my favorite song by Floyd, I have a hard time placing it in the "epic" category as it doesn't hit me on a deep emotional level by making a grand lyrical statement. Either by revealing some deep seated truth or fostering a sense of catharsis, the song lacks both elements. Others may feel a musical intimation of these qualities, which is fine as that's what music is supposed to do, but the song does not have that effect on me. So a long 20+ minute song does not always fit the bill. At least to me.



Agreed. Epics are usually long, but that is only one aspect. Perhaps more importantly, there is typically something at stake in a true epic, be it a person's life or integrity, or perhaps an ideal or some universal truth. The length of the song is usually necessary in order to adequately convey the idea, usually in a sort of storyline. So, these two aspects are inextricably linked. We can quibble about length, but there will always be exceptions to the rule. It's prog!

While we are taking the pulse on how short a prog epic can be, there is also the flip side of the coin. How does one distinguish between a prog epic and a concept album? The lines seem blurry on this point, too. Any thoughts?

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Chief characteristic of a prog effort. If you can remember how it starts by the time you get to the end it's really just a pop song...

If you have to study it (as opposed to listen) it's epic.

If it causes punk it's good.

Dance ability factor 0 / 100.

If it stuns a 4 minute pop / rock fan by the length then it proves size does matter.

Chorus to non chorus factor 1 / 100 (Alone Again in Heep's Salisbury leaps to mind. Nothing else does... ok the refrains in Awaken then.) 2 / 100...

Impressive versus boring perception ratio - 11/ 10. Same with the lyrical profundity to meaningful communication to audience factor.

If multi section parts can be used as titles Part 1 Phase 2 (P Tree) then we are on to something.

If part of it can be issued as a single without the slightest hint of irony (I Get Up I Get Down from CTTE) there is an epic. Also if a single can be issued as Part 1 and part 2 (She Flies On Chicken, er, Strange Wings by Golden Earring) we have hidden epics.
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I've raised this question before: 

If a 10+ minute song does not qualify as an "epic," what do/should we call it? 

Shouldn't we be smart/creative enough to come up with a term to categorize all Tangerine Dream, Klaus Schulze, Amon Düül II, Alio Die, Cosmic Ground, Weserbergland, Terry Riley, later John Coltrane, Pharoah Sanders, Sun Ra, and Ornette Coleman "prayers" songs as well as the long extended jams of the Grateful Dead, Phish, Hypnos 69, the Samsara Blues Experiment, The Invisible Opera Company of Tibet, and so many others?

 That is, What are our terms? and, How do we define our terms?
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^ I think blafloobles would adequately cover that, as in "That song? Totes blaflooble!!!" for the really long ones, and "That song is pretty blaflooble" for one of 10 to 15 minutes. Even then when referring to blafloobles (not to be confused with blah foibles), one often would wish to qualify the term with a descriptor.   Basically, we have moderate blafloobles (moderately long songs), major blafloobles (which are majorly blaflooble, ie. very long songs or tracks) and super-mega blafloobles. Calling them 10 minute plus blafloobles, 15 minute plus blafloobles, 20 minute plus blafloobles etc. works for me generally. I actually think that sticking with ten minutes and over for blafloobles is silly as it is quality as much of a duration and it is a durative quality. Bear in mind that one man's blaflooble is another man's not-blaflooble.

EDIT: I thought someone might say something like, "No, we're supposed to be creative AND smart."

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Originally posted by BrufordFreak BrufordFreak wrote:

I've raised this question before: 

If a 10+ minute song does not qualify as an "epic," what do/should we call it? 

A long song.
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Originally posted by progaardvark progaardvark wrote:

Originally posted by BrufordFreak BrufordFreak wrote:

I've raised this question before: 

If a 10+ minute song does not qualify as an "epic," what do/should we call it? 

A long song.

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Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

^ I think blafloobles would adequately cover that, as in "That song? Totes blaflooble!!!" for the really long ones, and "That song is pretty blaflooble" for one of 10 to 15 minutes. Even then when referring to blafloobles (not to be confused with blah foibles), one often would wish to qualify the term with a descriptor.   Basically, we have moderate blafloobles (moderately long songs), major blafloobles (which are majorly blaflooble, ie. very long songs or tracks) and super-mega blafloobles. Calling them 10 minute plus blafloobles, 15 minute plus blafloobles, 20 minute plus blafloobles etc. works for me generally. I actually think that sticking with ten minutes and over for blafloobles is silly as it is quality as much of a duration and it is a durative quality. Bear in mind that one man's blaflooble is another man's not-blaflooble.

EDIT: I thought someone might say something like, "No, we're supposed to be creative AND smart."

Yes Greg, but: Where is the dignity in that! It is my belief that many of these musicians were quite serious and reverent to their craft and art form. I seek a term that is respectful, like "epic", not denigrating or condescending.
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If you want it more bombastic go to the ancient Greeks: Epic was more or less opposed to Lyric (poetry, since poetry was the best way to memorise texts...). But "lyric" could be confusing when it comes to music, so maybe "melic songs", "melic" being a kind of non-epic lyric poetry at those times.

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Originally posted by BrufordFreak BrufordFreak wrote:

Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

^ I think blafloobles would adequately cover that, as in "That song? Totes blaflooble!!!" for the really long ones, and "That song is pretty blaflooble" for one of 10 to 15 minutes. Even then when referring to blafloobles (not to be confused with blah foibles), one often would wish to qualify the term with a descriptor.   Basically, we have moderate blafloobles (moderately long songs), major blafloobles (which are majorly blaflooble, ie. very long songs or tracks) and super-mega blafloobles. Calling them 10 minute plus blafloobles, 15 minute plus blafloobles, 20 minute plus blafloobles etc. works for me generally. I actually think that sticking with ten minutes and over for blafloobles is silly as it is quality as much of a duration and it is a durative quality. Bear in mind that one man's blaflooble is another man's not-blaflooble.

EDIT: I thought someone might say something like, "No, we're supposed to be creative AND smart."


Yes Greg, but: Where is the dignity in that! It is my belief that many of these musicians were quite serious and reverent to their craft and art form. I seek a term that is respectful, like "epic", not denigrating or condescending.

   

At first I just was going to write "long songs" but I felt it lacked the pizzazz (and creativity) worthy of a genre in which certain leading lights wore capes, stabbed their instruments, spun pianos around in the air, wore flower masks and little red riding hood dresses, and chanted in alien languages etc. Showmanship. But if you want a word that sounds like epic without being epic, I suggest epik or better yet, eppik, or maybe even eppikk.

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Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Originally posted by BrufordFreak BrufordFreak wrote:

Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

^ I think blafloobles would adequately cover that, as in "That song? Totes blaflooble!!!" for the really long ones, and "That song is pretty blaflooble" for one of 10 to 15 minutes. Even then when referring to blafloobles (not to be confused with blah foibles), one often would wish to qualify the term with a descriptor.   Basically, we have moderate blafloobles (moderately long songs), major blafloobles (which are majorly blaflooble, ie. very long songs or tracks) and super-mega blafloobles. Calling them 10 minute plus blafloobles, 15 minute plus blafloobles, 20 minute plus blafloobles etc. works for me generally. I actually think that sticking with ten minutes and over for blafloobles is silly as it is quality as much of a duration and it is a durative quality. Bear in mind that one man's blaflooble is another man's not-blaflooble.

EDIT: I thought someone might say something like, "No, we're supposed to be creative AND smart."


Yes Greg, but: Where is the dignity in that! It is my belief that many of these musicians were quite serious and reverent to their craft and art form. I seek a term that is respectful, like "epic", not denigrating or condescending.

   

At first I just was going to write "long songs" but I felt it lacked the pizzazz (and creativity) worthy of a genre in which certain leading lights wore capes, stabbed their instruments, spun pianos around in the air, wore flower masks and little red riding hood dresses, and chanted in alien languages etc. Showmanship. But if you want a word that sounds like epic without being epic, I suggest epik or better yet, eppik, or maybe even eppikk.

Brilliant! This may be the best solution I've heard yet! Plus, your spelling(s) even give the term a kind of Nordic/Norse flair, furthering the mystical, conflated egocentrism that we prog heads like to surround our music-based perspectives in! I love it! Thank you!
 
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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

I don't believe that there is a set formula for this, except that many feel that a long length is required. What say you?


Are you mean epic in duration, epic in subject matter, or simply epic because it's so good?
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After much thought, research, and deliberation, I have decided to create a separate term with which to connote the long musical expressions that are so commonly used by bands/artists that fall under the many subgenres of "progressive rock music"; that term is "mesmeric." 

A mesmeric will constitute a long-playing song (seven to 72 minutes in length) in which the artist uses non-poetic, non-rhyming, minimally-shifting rhythmic patterns, usually- or mostly-instrumental in nature, musical forms in order to express their joys, frustrations, aspirations, Divine/Cosmic yearnings as well as their urges/"needs" for escape, distraction, or anæsthetization. If a long-playing piece of music is not befitting of the "epic" or "suite" designations due to qualities lacking, they can and will be relegated to the "mesmeric" category for description and identification. Thus, Tangerine Dream, Alio Die, Klaus Schulze, Samsara Blues Experiment, My Brother The Wind, Amon Düül II, Terry Riley, Steve Reich, Phillip Glass, Stephen Thelen, "awakened" John Coltrane, Pharoah Sanders, Herbie Hancock's Mwandishi sextet, Miles Davis, and even The Doors and Iron Butterfly created mesmerics, not epics; their long-playing musical expressions worked to bridge the gap between human frustration and Divine adoration, between palliative self-indulgence and hopeful prayer--they trick the listener (as well as the performer) into a trance-like state that can lead to both pacification and rapturous elation, numbness and/or bliss. 

Long live the mesmerics. Prog World would be half of what it is without them.




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"Epic" is by Wikipedia defined in this way:

"Epic is a genre of narrative defined by heroic or legendary adventures presented in a long format.[1][2] Originating in the form of epic poetry,[3][4] the genre also now applies to epic theatre, epic films, music, novels, stage play, television series, and video games. Scholars argue that 'the epic' has long since become "disembedded" from its origins in oral poetry."

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