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Originally posted by Stressed Cheese Stressed Cheese wrote:

Yes, I'd say believing 14-year olds are getting their dicks cut off and bringing that up out of nowhere is pretty unhinged indeed. But again, you need someone close to you to get through to you, I know I'm just some random guy you're arguing with online. So I think I'll just leave you be from now on.

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Censorship is a good thing if it makes people who talk too much shut up for a change.
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Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:

Censorship is a good thing if it makes people who talk too much shut up for a change.

That's not what censorship is though. 
Maybe people should just tell people that talk too much to shut up every now and then. LOL Or let's just avoid these people. LOL
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Mike, you're standing up for Victor Davis Hanson, who, you may not know, is one of the worst Authoritarian figures in the U.S.

If you keep going down that road you're gonna get a whole lot more push back than you've gotten so far.  You haven't seen "free speech" until I tell you & your punk-ass friend Davis where to shove it.

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^ See, I care more about what is being said than about who is saying it. Can you name one claim he makes in the video which is false?

And I am not “standing up” for the guy. What gave you that impression?

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^ many cannot grasp the abstract concept that supporting one’s ability to speak does not mean that one agrees with that speech

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^ yes, or also that if one agrees with one thing someone says, that does not mean one agrees with everything else they are saying.

Also, all too often nowadays when you name a reference which supports your claims, people will look up the source and then try to attack its credibility without ever addressing what that source is saying. They’re often operating on the principle of guilt by association - something every evil regime has done, including the you know who (avoiding the n word).
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Eric Clapton -  Stand and Deliver

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0cCJMrNZa8&t=133s


Benjamin Franklin: "Whoever would overthrow the liberty of a nation must begin by subduing the freeness of speech."


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Originally posted by Awesoreno Awesoreno wrote:

There's pros and cons, to be sure.
 
That's true, but the statement I quoted by Stressed Cheese implies that modern society is all pros and no cons. It implies that modern society is such a paragon of virtue that anyone who disagrees with it in any way is automatically wrong. Thus, it is important that there is the freedom to say things that are in disagreement with modern society because commonly held views might be wrong or just plain absurd.
 
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Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

^ many cannot grasp the abstract concept that supporting one’s ability to speak does not mean that one agrees with that speech

What a spineless, clueless, empty, hands-off thing to say.  

Yes, you're right, I like free speech.
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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

^ See, I care more about what is being said than about who is saying it. Can you name one claim he makes in the video which is false?

And I am not “standing up” for the guy. What gave you that impression?

So I'm gonna guess you know very little about twisted extremist Victor Davis Hanson, if anything at all, other than a quick skim of the posted film.   Which indicates your defense of free speech is based not on any content or individual, but rather blind allegiance to a principal.   Seems to me that you, as an intelligent person, would want to be well informed of the material you post regardless of your central point.   But I can see the obvious answer is 'No--  it's not about content, it's about speech.'   Yeah, I get it.

 
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Originally posted by Stressed Cheese Stressed Cheese wrote:

1) Why bring trans people up all of a sudden only to talk sh*t about them?
In a thread with this title I'm frankly surprised it took 8 pages for that to happen
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Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

^ many cannot grasp the abstract concept that supporting one’s ability to speak does not mean that one agrees with that speech

What a spineless, clueless, empty, hands-off thing to say.  

Yes, you're right, I like free speech.






Wasn't referring to you. Thanks for getting offended? Sleepy

In the US we have the first amendment. That guarantees all opinions are allowed.

Free speech does not include inciting violence or criminal behavior but it does ensure that anyone can express their opinions no matter how repulsive. I simply just ignore things i loathe however i support the freedom for those to espouse those viewpoints. It's called tolerance.


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Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

^ many cannot grasp the abstract concept that supporting one’s ability to speak does not mean that one agrees with that speech

What a spineless, clueless, empty, hands-off thing to say.  

Yes, you're right, I like free speech.
Wasn't referring to you. Thanks for getting offended? Sleepy

In the US we have the first amendment. That guarantees all opinions are allowed.
Free speech does not include inciting violence or criminal behavior but it does ensure that anyone can express their opinions no matter how repulsive. I simply just ignore things i loathe however i support the freedom for those to espouse those viewpoints. It's called tolerance.


My post was dumb and unnecessary.
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Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

^ See, I care more about what is being said than about who is saying it. Can you name one claim he makes in the video which is false?

And I am not “standing up” for the guy. What gave you that impression?

So I'm gonna guess you know very little about twisted extremist Victor Davis Hanson, if anything at all, other than a quick skim of the posted film.   Which indicates your defense of free speech is based not on any content or individual, but rather blind allegiance to a principal.   Seems to me that you, as an intelligent person, would want to be well informed of the material you post regardless of your central point.   But I can see the obvious answer is 'No--  it's not about content, it's about speech.'   Yeah, I get it.

 





Wow. You managed to accuse me of so much ignorance while still not saying anything about the content of the video. Did you even watch a minute of it? I challenge you to name one claim the video makes which isn’t correct, or to concede that you don’t care about the content.
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^ I watched it some time ago.   All presidents lie and it's naive to think otherwise.   Hanson is a loon, but I don't care much for politics anyway---   I do respect your passion for free speech, and I'm gonna leave it at that.  


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Originally posted by Mirakaze Mirakaze wrote:

Originally posted by Stressed Cheese Stressed Cheese wrote:

1) Why bring trans people up all of a sudden only to talk sh*t about them?
In a thread with this title I'm frankly surprised it took 8 pages for that to happen

Except that nobody was talking sh*t about them, as far as I recall.
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Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

^ I watched it some time ago.   All presidents lie and it's naive to think otherwise.   Hanson is a loon, but I don't care much for politics anyway---   I do respect your passion for free speech, and I'm gonna leave it at that.  

I have a passion for truth more than anything else. And I hate it when people make personal attacks on no factual basis. Ok, so you're saying "Hanson is a loon" ... why? Bring some evidence. Give me an example of a "loony" statement he made, and I'll comment on it.

"All presidents lie" ... and that makes it ok? Dr. House said "everybody lies", which is of course true. Does that mean that any lie could be excused? 
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