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Hierophant 
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Posted: June 27 2005 at 03:56 |
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I know... everybody knows that all modern prog bands are missing
something that the classic prog bands had. I can't really put my finger
on it but something is definitly missing. One
of my theories is that today's technology ruins music through
overproduction. "back in the day" I think bands had to put alot more
time and effort into their music because the production technology was
lacking. But there's definitly something else going on. Modern prog
bands always seem "restricted" by a magical "prog force" that seems to
keep them from opening up their music to its full potential. Modern
prog bands are in no way as adventurous as the classics. They don't
have the sense of dynamics that the oldies had. I'm always waiting for
a part in an album where the band really breaks it down and goes into a
mini jam or a really soft melodic part or just completely shatter their song structure and bring it back. They always
seem to focus in one area of prog - technicality, lyrics, melody, structure.
You're never going to get the whole package it seems.
So I ask you - what is modern prog missing???
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Posted: June 27 2005 at 04:09 |
 Hierophant wrote:
I know... everybody knows that all modern prog bands are missing
something that the classic prog bands had. |
Do we?
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Posted: June 27 2005 at 04:26 |
Cmon, just agree with me for the sake of my thread. 
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Posted: June 27 2005 at 04:27 |
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Sorry, but I think you're completely wrong about this, and probably haven't heard much modern prog if this is your genuine view.
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Posted: June 27 2005 at 04:59 |
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Modern Prog is different from 70's Prog. What do you want? The exact same music/production for 30 years? Modern Prog isn't missing anything.
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Posted: June 27 2005 at 05:00 |
Hierophant, I do agree with you.   Hardly ever perfect. For example if the compositions are great, the singer sucks.
Ok, TP (see next message), here's "evidence" (but this is all only personal opinions, that's why I didn't think I should give names): IQ's singer's nasal voice slightly irritates me, and Pendragon's too. Finnish Ageness I might enjoy but the singer is like a worse edition of IQ's. And I found Flower Kings' Adam & Eve unlistenable (I like some other FK stuff) but I can't explain WHY. I hope this satisfies you. It's more interesting to think what makes one enjoy something than what makes one dislike something.
You have good points, Hierophant, but maybe it can't be generalized like "there's something missing in all new prog". It's a matter of taste: if you love classic prog of the golden age, you can't help liking newer bands less. They CAN'T be the same. And often it's exactly the old feel that makes albums like Nursery Cryme, Pawn Hearts or In The Court of the Crimson King so appealing. If they were re-made with modern technics they surely would lose something of their magic.
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Posted: June 27 2005 at 05:10 |
How is that an example? No one's mentioned a single group as evidence yet.
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Posted: June 27 2005 at 05:15 |
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I didn't say i hate all modern prog, theres plenty of modern prog bands
that I love, but to me they'll never yield the same satisfaction of the
classics. (for whatever reason) hence the point of this thread.
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Posted: June 27 2005 at 05:16 |
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Ya, I kindof agree with that. There's something missing, for me it's
the originality. However, I would only say that about the neo-prog
genre, since other bands like godspeed (or the whole post-rock
genre for that matter), taal or anglagard are quite different and
innovative.
However, neo-prog is based on other things, and i understand why people like it, even though i don't really.
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Posted: June 27 2005 at 05:17 |
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I didn't suggest that you did, but I can't see how modern prog LACKS
anything. I can think of plenty of modern bands that are far superior
to certain 70s groups. They're just different eras, nothing more.
Neither is superior.
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Posted: June 27 2005 at 05:19 |
I think he's talking about the impression you get when you compare Close To The Edge and A Change Of Seasons. I prefer ACoS, but I think that it is less emotional, less original and less inspired than CttE. At the same time, it has a better structure, better production, and better dynamics (acoustic/mellow vs. electronic/distorted/heavy). All IMHO, of course.
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Posted: June 27 2005 at 05:26 |
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Thinking Plague's Les Etudes d'Organism, After Crying's A Gadarai Megszállott, Ruin's Thebes,
all modern prog songs that thrill me just as much as "Close to the
Edge". The only difference in impression I get is that THEY ARE
DIFFERENT PIECES OF MUSIC BY DIFFERENT GROUPS. I don't think "Oh...
well this is good, I just wish it had been recorded thirty years earlier.
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Posted: June 27 2005 at 05:28 |
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I like a lot of modern day prog bands but the glaring missing ingredient for me is in the vocal department.There are no great singers anymore.No one with the outstanding vocal talents that the great 70's bands had.No Andersons,Hammills or Gabriels etc ....
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Posted: June 27 2005 at 05:31 |
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Daniel Gildenlow?
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Posted: June 27 2005 at 05:31 |
Trouserpress wrote:
Thinking Plague's Les Etudes d'Organism, After Crying's A Gadarai Megszállott, Ruin's Thebes, all modern prog songs that thrill me just as much as "Close to the Edge". The only difference in impression I get is that THEY ARE DIFFERENT PIECES OF MUSIC BY DIFFERENT GROUPS. I don't think "Oh... well this is good, I just wish it had been recorded thirty years earlier. |
Of course there EXIST such examples of modern prog, but with all the "Bogus Pomp" about Dream Theater it's difficult to find them.
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Posted: June 27 2005 at 05:33 |
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Daniel Gildenlow? |
Pain Of Salvation is IMO the best Prog Metal band on the planet ... but it's prog METAL, and that's something that a lot of 70s symphonic prog fans will not be able to adapt to. What a shame!
If only these fans could adapt to PoS as easily as I could adapt to Gentle Giant ...
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Posted: June 27 2005 at 05:33 |
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
Trouserpress wrote:
Thinking Plague's Les Etudes d'Organism, After Crying's A Gadarai Megszállott, Ruin's Thebes,
all modern prog songs that thrill me just as much as "Close to the
Edge". The only difference in impression I get is that THEY ARE
DIFFERENT PIECES OF MUSIC BY DIFFERENT GROUPS. I don't think "Oh...
well this is good, I just wish it had been recorded thirty years earlier. |
Of course there EXIST such examples of modern prog, but with
all the "Bogus Pomp" about Dream Theater it's difficult to find
them. |
They're only difficult to find if you don't want to make the effort.
Some prog fans are stuck in the 70s and dismiss modern groups out of
hand, no matter how innovative or talented they are.
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Posted: June 27 2005 at 05:35 |
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
Trouserpress wrote:
Daniel Gildenlow? |
Pain Of Salvation is IMO the best Prog Metal band on the planet ...
but it's prog METAL, and that's something that a lot of 70s symphonic
prog fans will not be able to adapt to. What a shame!
If only these fans could adapt to PoS as easily as I could adapt to Gentle Giant ... |
I'm not much of a prog metal fan - it has to be REALLY good and REALLY
different to interest me - but if Gildenlow isn't an example of a
brilliant modern vocalist, then quite frankly, who is?
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Posted: June 27 2005 at 05:40 |
Fragile wrote:
I like a lot of modern day prog bands but the glaring missing ingredient for me is in the vocal department.There are no great singers anymore.No one with the outstanding vocal talents that the great 70's bands had.No Andersons,Hammills or Gabriels etc .... |
No offense, but they SUCK sometimes. Yesterday I listened to the Keneally/Gilbert version of Siberian Khatru and was blown away by the vocal arrangements ... I hadn't noticed how great they were because the sloppy intonation of Anderson distracted me. It annoys me very much, others might not even notice it.
Russell Allen, Daniel Gildenlow, Mike Baker, Neal Morse, Mikael Ackerfeldt, Roine Stolt, Hasse Froberg, Steven Wilson, Damien Wilson ... just a small selection of modern prog vocalists that sing with great passion and emotion.
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Posted: June 27 2005 at 05:42 |
Trouserpress wrote:
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
Trouserpress wrote:
Daniel Gildenlow? |
Pain Of Salvation is IMO the best Prog Metal band on the planet ... but it's prog METAL, and that's something that a lot of 70s symphonic prog fans will not be able to adapt to. What a shame!
If only these fans could adapt to PoS as easily as I could adapt to Gentle Giant ...
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I'm not much of a prog metal fan - it has to be REALLY good and REALLY different to interest me - but if Gildenlow isn't an example of a brilliant modern vocalist, then quite frankly, who is?
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You're preaching to the choir here!
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