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    Posted: March 11 2025 at 06:56
These are the breakthrough albums from most of the major prog bands. You can add your own bands if you want.

ELP - debut
King Crimson - In The Court of the Crimson King
Pink Floyd - A bit tricky since like Genesis they were popular in the UK before the US but I'll say Dark Side of the Moon
Genesis - Foxtrot
Yes - The Yes Album
Porcupine Tree - In Absentia (even though it didn't chart)
Dream Theater - Images and Words
Rush -2112 (from a more commercial standpoint though maybe Permanent Waves)
Jethro Tull - Stand Up
Kansas - Leftoverture
Marillion - Misplaced Childhood (but their first album Script for a Jester's Tear did pretty good in the UK reaching number 7)
The Moody Blues - Days Of Future Passed
Gentle Giant - Free Hand  
Echolyn - As The World (their first on a major label -Sony- and ironically the one that ended their career- for a while anyway). 


I know most wouldn't consider Echolyn to be a major prog band but I included them because as the world was the one that got them noticed. So if you have other similar examples please include them.




Thanks to google for helping me out with some of these.

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Maybe Tommy by the Who. As close to Prog as it is.
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Originally posted by meAsoi meAsoi wrote:

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Caravan (s/t debut)
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Music in a Doll's House
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Hi,

I imagine that "Nine Feet Underground", in their 3rd album is what helped them break through with the long piece. The first album was pop music, the second, a bit unsettled, but by the 3rd album they know what they were doing. I am not too sure that they were "settled" until then. 

The first album is a nice listen, but not that great. The second is nice and shows promise as far as I can tell.

FAMILY is a bit different, but I'm not sure that it wasn't until "Anyway" and the "Good News - Bad News" piece that gave a lot of folks an idea of how strong this band was. Their first album was all pop music, the second, I like but I think they were not sure where to go, and in "Anyway", they just blew all the fuses out and got major attention. From then on, I think they were excellent all around. It wasn't a secret that they were fine in concert, but all of a sudden this comes out as outstanding and bombastic, and it helped the band a lot, afaik.

Good stuff all the way around, but if I was to collect stuff exclusively, I would skip the first 2 Caravan albums, and I definitely would skip the first 2 Family albums, as they got better, and then continued (a bit different) with Streetwalkers, which had a couple of outstanding albums.

Scary stuff, thinking of what helped a band breakthrough, but ELP did it ... let's say ... by cheating. Keith Emerson was well known and a new band, was going to get a serious ear, for example. 

I much prefer to discuss the lesser bands and their work, than the top bands listed was above. The whole discussion about some of those big names is getting boring, and not really as valid and important as any other. It's sad, for example, that DSOTM is the album listed, when it was the number of bootlegs, and their earlier material after "Saucerful of Secrets" that showed it ... I find it sad that Echoes, Atom Heart Mother and the Be Careful With that Crap, Eugene ... is ignored. All it shows is that the folks that came on with DSOTM were not Pink Floyd fans at all ... they just liked to be associated with the big number one and the light show, which was way better in the QUAD they had been using for 2 years at least, but most farts never got a chance to hear it and feel it ... so they would know how valuable and far out that earlier stuff was. 

If you don't believe that, then what is the point of having the Pompeii film redone? It should tell you a lot about the band, and the takes on it from DSOTM should NEVER have been there, so that the folks that came on with it, would not be alienated by such a different band. It really showed nothing ... which was a testament to its great beauty in those days ... which translated into DSOTM later. But the Pompeii film does not need it, and keeping it "a nice home movie" like Nick says in it would be a much better design and idea, though the record company thinks it would not sell ... if it didn't, then you knew that the DSOTM fans were not real fans of the band! They were money for the record company ... and later massive fights by 2 idiots!


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Originally posted by Valdez Valdez wrote:

Maybe Tommy by the Who. As close to Prog as it is.

Their big breakthough for sure although they weren't really obscure before that.
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Originally posted by meAsoi meAsoi wrote:

Caravan (s/t debut)
Music in a Doll's House 
The Soft Machine Volume Two
The Least We Can Do Is Wave to Each Other
Trespass


This thread was supposed to be about albums that were breakthroughs for prog bands and not albums that were breaktrhoughs for prog. All the ones you listed are early albums for bands but they weren't their big breakthoughs imo. Trespass really? It sold 6,000 copies when it first came out. Maybe compared to the debut it was a breakthgough but for the band it wasn't.


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Originally posted by meAsoi meAsoi wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by meAsoi meAsoi wrote:

Caravan (s/t debut)
Music in a Doll's House 
The Soft Machine Volume Two
The Least We Can Do Is Wave to Each Other
Trespass


This thread was supposed to be about albums that were breakthroughs for prog bands and not albums that were breaktrhoughs for prog. All the ones you listed are early albums for bands but they weren't their big breakthoughs imo.
It seems your opening post missed the cue on "breakthrough" as the fanfare for the band's popularity.
Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Trespass really? It sold 6,000 copies when it first came out. Maybe compared to the debut it was a breakthgough but for the band it wasn't.
With Trespass, they had a significant breakthrough in Italy, a country more important for the genre than, for example, the US.

Svetty, where's your proof that Trespass was a significant breakthough in Italy? That would be Nursery Cryme. 

No, my post didn't miss anything, Svetty, you did! ;) You obviously don't know what breakthrough means in the larger context. Thanks for playing though Svetty. 
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I think Aqualung may have been Tulls “prog” breakthrough album.
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Originally posted by Valdez Valdez wrote:

I think Aqualung may have been Tulls “prog” breakthrough album.

Maybe but I wasn't thinking the album had to necessarily be prog to be a breakthrough. Aqualung sounds more like proto prog to me and not quite full on prog. It's still a great album though.
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I remember the members of king crimson raving about Radioheads ok computer when it hit big. Although Radiohead isn’t really considered prog by many, I found it to be modern Prog.
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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by Valdez Valdez wrote:

I think Aqualung may have been Tulls “prog” breakthrough album.


Maybe but I wasn't thinking the album had to necessarily be prog to be a breakthrough. Aqualung sounds more like proto prog to me and not quite full on prog. It's still a great album though.


Much more so than Stand Up which was in the blues vein still. Tulls MOST pure prog album was thick as a brick, but sales point to aqualung which was prog enough to earn prog status
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Originally posted by meAsoi meAsoi wrote:

Don't harass me; I'm not your "Svetty." 

Whose Svetty are you then? Big smile
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But then… I may have misunderstood your intent for this thread
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I see… TOOL lateralus. As much as I can’t stand listening to tool, somehow Lateralus was their breakthrough album. Coined by many to be prog ( even rolling stone magazine)
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by meAsoi meAsoi wrote:

Don't harass me; I'm not your "Svetty." 

Whose Svetty are you then? Big smile

He's the whole site's Svettie. LOL 

And his list is completely erroneous. 
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Oh boy…. Here we go again
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Originally posted by Hosydi Hosydi wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Genesis - Foxtrot
Genesis was a cult band in the UK and the U.S. prior to A Trick of the Tail. Only 1976 saw their breakthrough, when A Trick of the Tail reached no. 3 in the UK and no. 31 in the U.S. It pulled them out of cult status to mainstream success and improved their financial situation.


Maybe in the US, I'm not so sure about the UK. Top Chart positions on the UK charts for the previous three albums to the release of A Trick of the Tail:

Foxtrot (12)
Selling England by the Pound (3)
The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway (10)

An 11 date tour of the UK, scheduled to begin October 29, 1974 to support the Lamb Lies Down on Broadway, sold out in 4 hours. That part of the tour was rescheduled to 1975 due to Steve Hackett's injury to his hand.

Typically, in the UK, Genesis was playing roughly 2,000 seat theaters such as the Liverpool Empire Theatre, Usher Hall, Palace Theatre, etc 2-3 nights in a row before moving to the next city for a series of gigs. On April 14-15, 1975 they played at the Empire Pool, now known as Wembley Arena, which had a seating capacity of about 10,000.

The tour still lost money. Some locations, ticket sales were not good. Two dates at Toulouse, France were cancelled due to poor ticket sales. But, that was not the case in the UK. They may have not had the stature of a Led Zeppelin, Yes, Elton John, Who or ELP in the UK, but they were hardly a cult band in their home country in 1975. That would have been a more apt description of Gentle Giant or Camel.
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Originally posted by Hosydi Hosydi wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Genesis - Foxtrot
Genesis was a cult band in the UK and the U.S. prior to A Trick of the Tail. Only 1976 saw their breakthrough, when A Trick of the Tail reached no. 3 in the UK and no. 31 in the U.S. It pulled them out of cult status to mainstream success and improved their financial situation.

Hi,

I would think that "Selling England By The Pound" is the album that was important and impressive as shown in the LA area. Before then it was hunt and pick and not much to appreciate. I never, for example, got any Genesis until after SEBTP, when I got the previous albums.

For me, SEBTP is the album that brought them through.
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Arguably And Then There Were Three took Genesis into another league commercial wise. It sold masses on the back of Follow You Follow Me and by 1980's Duke there were fewer bigger bands in Europe. For Genesis it was a gradual incline commercial wise with an inverse artistic decline at the same time. Go figure.LOL
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Originally posted by meAsoi meAsoi wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by meAsoi meAsoi wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by meAsoi meAsoi wrote:

Caravan (s/t debut)
Music in a Doll's House 
The Soft Machine Volume Two
The Least We Can Do Is Wave to Each Other
Trespass


This thread was supposed to be about albums that were breakthroughs for prog bands and not albums that were breaktrhoughs for prog. All the ones you listed are early albums for bands but they weren't their big breakthoughs imo.
It seems your opening post missed the cue on "breakthrough" as the fanfare for the band's popularity.
Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Trespass really? It sold 6,000 copies when it first came out. Maybe compared to the debut it was a breakthgough but for the band it wasn't.
With Trespass, they had a significant breakthrough in Italy, a country more important for the genre than, for example, the US.

Svetty, where's your proof that Trespass was a significant breakthough in Italy? That would be Nursery Cryme. 

No, my post didn't miss anything, Svetty, you did! ;) You obviously don't know what breakthrough means in the larger context. Thanks for playing though Svetty. 
Don't harass me; I'm not your "Svetty." Trespass was released in Italy through the Italian division of the major European label Phillips, under license from Charisma. It got success in Italy.

Don't say dumb things and mislead people and I won't harass you which I wasn't doing anyway and yes you most certainly are Svetty. Denying it won't make any difference. Everyone on here knows who you are so please cut it out!


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Originally posted by Hosydi Hosydi wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Genesis - Foxtrot
Genesis was a cult band in the UK and the U.S. prior to A Trick of the Tail. Only 1976 saw their breakthrough, when A Trick of the Tail reached no. 3 in the UK and no. 31 in the U.S. It pulled them out of cult status to mainstream success and improved their financial situation.

A Trick of the Tail is certainly a better option for breakthrough than Trespass but even ATOTT seems too late for me. I wouldn't go any later than Lamb.
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