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AFlowerKingCrimson ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 02 2016 Location: Philly burbs Status: Offline Points: 19246 |
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These are the breakthrough albums from most of the major prog bands. You can add your own bands if you want. King Crimson - In The Court of the Crimson King Pink Floyd - A bit tricky since like Genesis they were popular in the UK before the US but I'll say Dark Side of the Moon Genesis - Foxtrot Yes - The Yes Album Porcupine Tree - In Absentia (even though it didn't chart) Dream Theater - Images and Words Rush -2112 (from a more commercial standpoint though maybe Permanent Waves) Jethro Tull - Stand Up Kansas - Leftoverture Marillion - Misplaced Childhood (but their first album Script for a Jester's Tear did pretty good in the UK reaching number 7) The Moody Blues - Days Of Future Passed Gentle Giant - Free Hand Echolyn - As The World (their first on a major label -Sony- and ironically the one that ended their career- for a while anyway). I know most wouldn't consider Echolyn to be a major prog band but I included them because as the world was the one that got them noticed. So if you have other similar examples please include them. Thanks to google for helping me out with some of these. |
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Valdez ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 17 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1144 |
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Maybe Tommy by the Who. As close to Prog as it is.
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moshkito ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 04 2007 Location: Grok City Status: Offline Points: 18461 |
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Hi, I imagine that "Nine Feet Underground", in their 3rd album is what helped them break through with the long piece. The first album was pop music, the second, a bit unsettled, but by the 3rd album they know what they were doing. I am not too sure that they were "settled" until then. The first album is a nice listen, but not that great. The second is nice and shows promise as far as I can tell. FAMILY is a bit different, but I'm not sure that it wasn't until "Anyway" and the "Good News - Bad News" piece that gave a lot of folks an idea of how strong this band was. Their first album was all pop music, the second, I like but I think they were not sure where to go, and in "Anyway", they just blew all the fuses out and got major attention. From then on, I think they were excellent all around. It wasn't a secret that they were fine in concert, but all of a sudden this comes out as outstanding and bombastic, and it helped the band a lot, afaik. Good stuff all the way around, but if I was to collect stuff exclusively, I would skip the first 2 Caravan albums, and I definitely would skip the first 2 Family albums, as they got better, and then continued (a bit different) with Streetwalkers, which had a couple of outstanding albums. Scary stuff, thinking of what helped a band breakthrough, but ELP did it ... let's say ... by cheating. Keith Emerson was well known and a new band, was going to get a serious ear, for example. I much prefer to discuss the lesser bands and their work, than the top bands listed was above. The whole discussion about some of those big names is getting boring, and not really as valid and important as any other. It's sad, for example, that DSOTM is the album listed, when it was the number of bootlegs, and their earlier material after "Saucerful of Secrets" that showed it ... I find it sad that Echoes, Atom Heart Mother and the Be Careful With that Crap, Eugene ... is ignored. All it shows is that the folks that came on with DSOTM were not Pink Floyd fans at all ... they just liked to be associated with the big number one and the light show, which was way better in the QUAD they had been using for 2 years at least, but most farts never got a chance to hear it and feel it ... so they would know how valuable and far out that earlier stuff was. If you don't believe that, then what is the point of having the Pompeii film redone? It should tell you a lot about the band, and the takes on it from DSOTM should NEVER have been there, so that the folks that came on with it, would not be alienated by such a different band. It really showed nothing ... which was a testament to its great beauty in those days ... which translated into DSOTM later. But the Pompeii film does not need it, and keeping it "a nice home movie" like Nick says in it would be a much better design and idea, though the record company thinks it would not sell ... if it didn't, then you knew that the DSOTM fans were not real fans of the band! They were money for the record company ... and later massive fights by 2 idiots!
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AFlowerKingCrimson ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 02 2016 Location: Philly burbs Status: Offline Points: 19246 |
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Their big breakthough for sure although they weren't really obscure before that.
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AFlowerKingCrimson ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 02 2016 Location: Philly burbs Status: Offline Points: 19246 |
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This thread was supposed to be about albums that were breakthroughs for prog bands and not albums that were breaktrhoughs for prog. All the ones you listed are early albums for bands but they weren't their big breakthoughs imo. Trespass really? It sold 6,000 copies when it first came out. Maybe compared to the debut it was a breakthgough but for the band it wasn't.
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AFlowerKingCrimson ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 02 2016 Location: Philly burbs Status: Offline Points: 19246 |
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Svetty, where's your proof that Trespass was a significant breakthough in Italy? That would be Nursery Cryme. No, my post didn't miss anything, Svetty, you did! ;) You obviously don't know what breakthrough means in the larger context. Thanks for playing though Svetty.
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Valdez ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 17 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1144 |
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I think Aqualung may have been Tulls “prog” breakthrough album.
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AFlowerKingCrimson ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 02 2016 Location: Philly burbs Status: Offline Points: 19246 |
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Maybe but I wasn't thinking the album had to necessarily be prog to be a breakthrough. Aqualung sounds more like proto prog to me and not quite full on prog. It's still a great album though.
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I remember the members of king crimson raving about Radioheads ok computer when it hit big. Although Radiohead isn’t really considered prog by many, I found it to be modern Prog.
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Much more so than Stand Up which was in the blues vein still. Tulls MOST pure prog album was thick as a brick, but sales point to aqualung which was prog enough to earn prog status |
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Whose Svetty are you then?
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Valdez ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 17 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1144 |
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But then… I may have misunderstood your intent for this thread
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I see… TOOL lateralus. As much as I can’t stand listening to tool, somehow Lateralus was their breakthrough album. Coined by many to be prog ( even rolling stone magazine)
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He's the whole site's Svettie. ![]() ![]() And his list is completely erroneous.
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
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Valdez ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 17 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1144 |
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Oh boy…. Here we go again
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Maybe in the US, I'm not so sure about the UK. Top Chart positions on the UK charts for the previous three albums to the release of A Trick of the Tail: Foxtrot (12) Selling England by the Pound (3) The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway (10) An 11 date tour of the UK, scheduled to begin October 29, 1974 to support the Lamb Lies Down on Broadway, sold out in 4 hours. That part of the tour was rescheduled to 1975 due to Steve Hackett's injury to his hand. Typically, in the UK, Genesis was playing roughly 2,000 seat theaters such as the Liverpool Empire Theatre, Usher Hall, Palace Theatre, etc 2-3 nights in a row before moving to the next city for a series of gigs. On April 14-15, 1975 they played at the Empire Pool, now known as Wembley Arena, which had a seating capacity of about 10,000. The tour still lost money. Some locations, ticket sales were not good. Two dates at Toulouse, France were cancelled due to poor ticket sales. But, that was not the case in the UK. They may have not had the stature of a Led Zeppelin, Yes, Elton John, Who or ELP in the UK, but they were hardly a cult band in their home country in 1975. That would have been a more apt description of Gentle Giant or Camel. |
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moshkito ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 04 2007 Location: Grok City Status: Offline Points: 18461 |
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Hi, I would think that "Selling England By The Pound" is the album that was important and impressive as shown in the LA area. Before then it was hunt and pick and not much to appreciate. I never, for example, got any Genesis until after SEBTP, when I got the previous albums. For me, SEBTP is the album that brought them through.
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Arguably And Then There Were Three took Genesis into another league commercial wise. It sold masses on the back of Follow You Follow Me and by 1980's Duke there were fewer bigger bands in Europe. For Genesis it was a gradual incline commercial wise with an inverse artistic decline at the same time. Go figure.
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AFlowerKingCrimson ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 02 2016 Location: Philly burbs Status: Offline Points: 19246 |
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Don't say dumb things and mislead people and I won't harass you which I wasn't doing anyway and yes you most certainly are Svetty. Denying it won't make any difference. Everyone on here knows who you are so please cut it out!
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A Trick of the Tail is certainly a better option for breakthrough than Trespass but even ATOTT seems too late for me. I wouldn't go any later than Lamb.
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