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Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:



Hi,

I'm inclined to think that the idea/OP is not clear on that matter, and that the listener is not interested in music, but what others think!

Maybe William J. Lederer was right! ... A Nation of Sheep? Heck, and that was 1961, right around the first mentions shown in this thread ... it says something about the time and place, that TODAY, we simply don't care about, or anymore!


Not a fan of Varèse, eh Pedro?

I admit his works are extremely demanding listens. Still I am surprised more people here aren't fans of his work...or at least familiar with it.

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Originally posted by Disconnect Disconnect wrote:


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To be fair, the thread title is "What Was the First Prog Album", not "What Was the First Prog Rock Album".   


Hi,

I'm inclined to think that the idea/OP is not clear on that matter, and that the listener is not interested in music, but what others think!

Maybe William J. Lederer was right! ... A Nation of Sheep? Heck, and that was 1961, right around the first mentions shown in this thread ... it says something about the time and place, that TODAY, we simply don't care about, or anymore!
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Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

^Can't recall that it actually rocks, but in that case it's the first ever rock-album too. Well done, Varèse!


To be fair, the thread title is "What Was the First Prog Album", not "What Was the First Prog Rock Album".   
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^Can't recall that it actually rocks, but in that case it's the first ever rock-album too. Well done, Varèse!
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Edgard Varèse - Complete Works, Vol. 1 (released 1951)
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Edit: didn't notice your reply and wrote basically the same as you
Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

Well technically the first one listed is Miles Davis - First Miles in 1945 but we can discount that as Miles is here for his fusion albums and they start much later.


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Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:



Pink Floyd - Piper At The Gates Of Dawn >> rel Aug 4
The Moody Blues - Days Of Future Passed >> rel Nov 10
Procol Harum - A Whiter Shade Of Pale >> rel Nov 24
Traffic - Mr Fantasy >> Rel Dec 8


see the release dates above... and below...

Sgt Pepper >> rel May 26
Disraeli Gears >> rel Nov 10
R U Exp >> rel May 12
The Doors (for The End) >> rel Jan 4
Forever Changes >> rel Nov 1
Surrealistic Pillow >> rel Feb 1
After Bathing at Baxter's >> Rel Nov 27


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Right! I see the problem.
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Well technically the first one listed is Miles Davis - First Miles in 1945 but we can discount that as Miles is here for his fusion albums and they start much later.

The first appearance of something not jazz is Frank Zappa - Freak Out in 1966.

1967 is the first year with multiple entries

Pink Floyd - Piper At The Gates Of Dawn
The Moody Blues - Days Of Future Passed
Procol Haram - A Whiter Shade Of Pale
Traffic - Mr Fantasy

I'm discounting entries with very few ratings

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Do you mean Foxtrot by Genesis? That is 1972, right? I wonder what is the earliest Prog album listed on PA. That should be the one.
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Foxtrot is #2, not getting a result for #1
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Which is the first one listed in PA?
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Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

If it was good for 30 pages 10 years ago we can surely have a bit of a chat now.

In The Court Of The Crimson King is the first fully formed prog album IMHO, lots of elements came before on some very good albums but this is ground zero.
I agree, In the Court... is the album that everything fell into place. Nothing that defining wes released prior to it. Zappa was influentual, but never Prog Rock to me in way that King Crimson were Prog.
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It was a gradual evolution of course, but Prog as we understand it now ~ high musicianship, full use of organ & keyboards, classical and jazz incorporation, long compositions ~ for me it would have to be the Nice, Davjack in 1967 and ALVB in '68.   Zappa, Floyd, and the Beach Boys come close, but no cigar.
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ITCOTCK was probably the first prog album of note as if ushering a new genre.
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It's akin to the good old debate about which was the first Rock & Roll record.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origins_of_rock_and_roll#Views_on_the_first_rock_and_roll_record

All musical styles evolve out as what has gone before - with rock & roll it was primarily the blues, swing, jazz, rockabilly, etc, and prog as we all know evolved out of the psychedelia of the 60's, adding in a good dollop of blues, folk & jazz.

The answer either both question is probably down to your own viewpoint.
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I just read through the entire 30 pages of the 2010 thread with this title and found it very informative (despite the tangents several personal conflicts took us on). I was too young, ignorant, and uneducated to participate in that discussion, but as AFlowerKingCrimson said, I see no harm in allowing/promoting newer members' take on the topic--there's always learning to experience.

In case anyone has an interest in a longer version of an answer to the question, I've tried to summarize the 2010 discussion into a concise list of the albums offered at that time on this post on my blog, Prog Is Alive and Well in the 2st Century.

https://www.blogger.com/blog/post/edit/4177889769726575312/5361840915960305000
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Yes - Talk & Pink Floyd - The Division Bell.
About 20 years ago.
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Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

It’s basically a tie between In The Court Of The Crimson King and Hot Rats - both albums released on the same day, 10th of October 1969.
Zappa made "Absolutely Free" already in 1967, I think it´s really the first prog album, it seems not many have understood it.
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